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1 hour ago, Warren05 said:

You gonna do the HCC too?

The title of this thread is false advertising #clickbait 😋

Offense has ball and is up 7 near the end of game.  Def has 2 timeouts.  Offense elects to "take a knee".  We teach our kids to rush the Q live, but not hit him if he drops a knee.  To force him down quick if you will, by pressuring him.  The idea being, he can't milk extra seconds by standing there after the snap.

How do officials handle to amount of time a QB has to take a knee before he loses any protection?

1 hour ago, oldtimeqb said:

But... it was on Facebook!  Correct me if I'm wrong.  But the Total (90) hours for renewal did not change, just the content coverage of some of them?   

The bill doesn't require an externship, which has seemed to get all the publicity.  It was stated as an option, along with the professional development options you highlighted.  And 15 hours of PD, does that amount to 3 per year?  I think they are 5-year renewals?

If given the choice between a continuing education seminar titled "Creating Effective Rubrics", "Learner Outcomes for the 21st Century", or "Job Skills needed for a Global Workforce" - I would choose the last one every time.  I think all 3 would be important, but adding the 3rd doesn't take away from 1 and 2.

I think it's fair to criticize the manner in which the bill was written and passed.  It's also fair to discuss whether work readiness/career preparation is the job of a public HS.  Should they instead be focused on a broader understanding of the world and educating future citizens in civic engagement?  Those are all good questions.  

That's my take as an outsider, but someone who does have to get continuing education hours for a professional license.  That's less than your 2 cents!

Correct....still 90 hours/points.  In a perfect world, I don't think it should be a big problem to get those hours/points...

1. IF your corporation incorporates into the structure of your current PD meetings.  If your district PD person is asleep at the wheel on this you'd be forced to figure out something on your own...which apparently could be Beer Camp!! https://www.indystar.com/story/news/education/2019/05/15/indiana-teachers-license-renewal-new-rules-catch-teachers-off-guard/1193573001/
2. IF it really does mean what I think it means (that it can be accomplished with your normal district PD)
3. IF these hours don't minimize the PD time you need to actually prepare to teach (curriculum dev, planning, etc)

For those of us who have been teaching for a long time....we know those are potentially big IF's.😉

49 minutes ago, Irishman said:

My issues with the licensing changes are:

1. It was dirty politics, plain and simple, that got this passed. Most legislators had no idea this was inserted into the bill. It was buried fairly deep (page 17 of a 40 page bill). 

2. There is no practical application to be gained from the change for a large majority of teachers. And for those that would benefit from....it is highly likely they have been doing these kinds of things for PD any way. 

Agree on both counts

On 5/9/2019 at 10:16 PM, psaboy said:

My emphasis below....

• Professional development provided by the state, a local business, or a community partner that provides opportunities for school and employers to partner in promoting career navigation;
• Professional development provided by the state, a local business, or a community partner that outlines:
  • current and future economic needs of the community, state, nation, and globe; and
  • ways in which current and future economic needs described in (A) can be disseminated to students.

To me, this means your local school district AND the DOE should be working together to provide you with multiple hours of PD training each year that fit this role...in other words, part of your faculty training across the district should accomplish this without need for you to do it on your own.  If 3-5 of your PD hours each year were directed towards these topics, anyone on the PGP renewal plan would easily fulfill this requirement.

I'm not necessarily a fan of this plan, but I don't think its a "sky is falling" type of problem if your local district gears your PD towards meeting this need.  The result is that more and more of your professional meeting time is going to be eaten away by these types of requirements (these community partner hours, ALICE training, suicide prevention, etc) and less of your meeting time will be available to you to actual work on curriculum, planning, etc.

my 2cents....likely worth as much or less 

Almost all of our Frosh/JV games are on Saturday mornings.  Opposite locations.  

We love it....easier for most parents to make.  Less long evenings for kids during week.  Our entire program (coaches and players) is at practice MTWR.  Even easier if you agree to just wear Varsity jerseys again Saturday morning (unless you had a mud bath Friday night).

Different strokes for different folks, but we are very happy with it.

2 hours ago, NLCTigerFan07 said:

My thought process with sending HSE/Fishers up I-69 is their proximity to the highway. Yes, Noblesville is further north than both of those schools, but Fishers and HSE are boht quicker trips TIME wise FW Carroll and Homestead than Noblesville is. And you have a sectional of 4 schools with 2 schools both close to each other. Noblesville definitely got the shaft travel wise in 6A.

I also thought the same thing, but the drive down 38 to Pendelton exit from NHS is really not a big deal at all.  Patayto patahto

On 2/15/2019 at 6:03 PM, JustRules said:

And what if the team isn't in an offset gun formation? Or what if the other tackle or one of the guards bleeds downfield because he expects it to be a run? If we only officiated to what the players were SUPPOSED to do we would never have a hold or pass interference. Because they weren't supposed to make that contact. But they did. You do look for tendencies though and that's one I've never heard. I will definitely look for it on video to see if I notice it then apply i ton the field this Fall.

Not trying to stray out of my lane to far here....I am definitley not well schooled on the nuance of official's mechanics.  But in your previous post you seemed to indicate that the GCG part of the line is much easier to see? Or am I reading that wrong?  Not trying to argue, just understand.  Is the umpire generally responsible for making that call??  (OT down field on pass)

On 2/13/2019 at 2:25 PM, JustRules said:

It's a lot harder than you think. The reason is the umpire has to watch two different things taking place in two different areas of the field. I have to know where the lineman is in relation to the line of scrimmage when the ball is released. He's not watching the QB so while he'll see the lineman but not know when the ball is released. As since linemen are coming out, he has a run read. If the releasing linemen aren't engaged there is no reason to watch them so he'll focus on the engaged blockers for holding assuming it's a run. All of the sudden the ball is in the air, and he has no idea where the other linemen were at the time the ball was released so he can't call anything. If we could watch all 5 linemen at the same time as well as the QB we would be super human. The way I do it now is sense if linemen are downfield but watch for engaged blocks. If I see a lineman is beyond the 2-yards allowed I take a quick peak back at the QB. If the ball is released or he's in near the end of his throwing motion, I let it go. If he still has the ball I go back to officiating my keys. If the ball is thrown any time after that I know I have a foul because I already had a lineman downfield. That seems to work because I now may only miss 1 per season. It also makes sure the foul is definitely there. It has taken years of practice and experience to get there. It's much easier to catch on video because you can stop the video the second the ball is released and do an inventory of the ineligible players. Can't do that on the field.

Then I would respectfully suggest that maybe there should be a mechanics change to adjust someone accounting for this if it is indeed so difficult to do currently.  I'm guessing that officials have adapted mechanics many times over the years....from single wing, to Maryland I, to Pro I, to Run and Shoot, etc.  RPO's aren't going away.  Its the new triple option.  I have faith that officials can do it....but from my perspective it SHOULDN'T be that hard....if an RPO team is in an offset gun formation, the focus really only needs to be on  one guy...read side OT.

Thanks JR and all the officials that come on here to discuss these topics!!👍

5 minutes ago, JustRules said:

Every RPO I've seen at the HS and NCAA level has linemen coming out to try to engage a LB or at least drive the DL back to sell it as a pure run. Sometimes they drift too far before the ball is thrown (usually the fault of the passer and not the lineman). The problem usually comes in when a lineman may be 6-8 yards downfield when the pass is caught, but the rule applies when the pass is released. Often the lineman is fine at that point but coaches scream because they see the lineman way downfield when the ball is in the air. I was fooled by this many times when I was a newer official, but watching on film I realized the lineman was fine at the time of release. Now I'm much slower to flag it unless I"m absolutely certain the lineman was illegal when the ball was released.

There shouldn't be an excuse to miss this, but believe me it is missed often...and I'll caveat that most RPO teams are not in violation. 

However...comma....As an official, you should be watching the OT to the offset back for an RPO team.  If we mention it in pregame meeting with officials it is something we see violated blatantly and often on film.   Its usually one specific player as well.  Some teams teach that kid to engage the LB immediately from the snap, so they can complete the route on that side.  Officials need to get better at this.  If he's combo'ing up to LB, fine....if he never engages LB, fine.....but if he's up on the LB before the catch, do your job and call it.  Hopefully this point of emphasis helps.  You don't have to watch the whole line for the violation...it almost always the OT to the offset back.

:end rant

Hugs and kisses

9 minutes ago, Punttheball said:

Good to hear.  Pin and Pull RPO's often do not get lineman down the field as you are referencing.  Take a look at some of those cuts on youtube.  

Agree....the OG wrapping is not the issue on RPO....it the readside OT that takes a B-Line to the LB...no combo...nothing.

19 hours ago, crimsonace1 said:

On behalf of broadcasters and PA announcers everywhere, THANK YOU. I've been calling for this for years in all sports. 

Unfortunately, I'm sure there are a few coaches out there who will try to skirt this as much as they can to make it difficult to see them on film ....

I could give you a list of programs if you'd like....the worst is the italicized "NASCAR" style numbers....even if its, ohhhhhh lets say white numbers on a black jersey.  They are shortened from top to bottom and the font makes it impossible to differentiate some numbers on film or even from the sidelines.

Is there a PayPal option?  I would be more likely to pay to play or donate

As I was about to click the "like" button on DT's post, I noticed the new options....The "Social Finger"/sit and spin is a nice addition....Not so sure about the Suicide emoji 😬 yikes!

12 hours ago, DT said:

I think you are short changing McWhorter's accomplishments.

The HCC is a tough nut, and Zionsville is the smallest school in the conference.  They more than hold their own.  But the record is the record.  Im happy with the content of my analysis.  Certainly don't need your approval in that regard.  

 

For most of McWhorter's tenure they were NOT the smallest HCC school (Westfield).  And the gap in size between them and other schools, particularly HSE/Fishers was much closer than it is today.

If you want to be technical....

Zionsville HS sits just south of 121st St.

Fishers and HSE literally are on opposite sides of 126th St (albeit slightly down the road from one another).  Fishers being North of 126th and South of 131st.

Carmel HS sits North of 131st St. (Main St in Carmel)

Westfield and Noblesville are both just North of SR 32.

Strictly by geography....ZVille is "South"....FWIW.