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14 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

Drayk Bowen, a Junior, just won Indiana Gatorade Player of the Year. Have no qualms with it either. He wasn’t eligible for Mr. Football. I think if you really want Mr. Football to be associated with any kind of best player award, it needs to be open to all classes.

Micah Hauser > Drayk Bowen

Played full time both ways (like Bowen).  Better stat lines against better teams (or in the case of Merrilville, the same team).

I'll duck and cover now 🤪

15 minutes ago, temptation said:

Eh, people in certain parts of the country commute over an hour to work daily.  We are pretty spoiled in Indy.

My wife has an hour plus commute in Indy. 

But an hour commute before and after work is a different discussion than an 1 hour plus commute around 465 at 5pm....and then back again that night when you have school the next day.   Apples and Oranges

Football, by and large, is a weekend deal....but in other sports, CG  making half their bus trips to HamCO...yikes.  Have fun with that on weeknights

I was just going to mention Cathedral....no idea if Cathedral would want that.  But they'd be the interesting choice.

On 11/23/2021 at 7:25 PM, NLCTigerFan07 said:

For sure. I do not disagree with this at all. My point was more if Coach Park has been struggling to build numbers at the lower levels with all his ties and connections and history at Goshen... good luck to the next guy. Of course, this is only the view as an outsider. For all I know (but highly doubt) the coaching staff was not doing the necessary things to build the ranks. Either way, huge challenge for whoever undertakes this position.

Kyle Park was one of the best regarded assistant coaches in the HCC (Zionsville) before he took the Goshen job.  Goshen did little to nothing in regards to coaching hires.  You can’t build a 5A program with a staff made up of mostly lay coaches, and small few full time contract people in the building.  I can’t imagine how anyone who knows football thinks you are going to get a better candidate.  Anyone who knows football knows the admin is doing nothing to support the program in the way of getting coaches hired.  You aren’t going to “build” numbers in  5A program when you have  so few coaches teaching in the building.  Firing Coach Park was a way to put the blame on someone else, when the admins won’t put the effort into the program.  

 They fired the best candidate they were going to get.  

2 hours ago, Dave007 said:

I sure as hell hope so, no offense to any other schools in 5A....but the Irish in 5A has run its course.  We have larger home crowds during regular season games vs. 6A opponents than we do in 5A playoffs which speaks volumes to how other fans/alumni feel about it!

Other schools have opted to play "up" a class before (not due to success factory).  Cathedral can voluntarily petition the IHSAA to play up in 6A anytime they want to....why don't they?🤔

2 hours ago, MDAlum82 said:

This is where we all need to be reminded that "considering" does not, in practice or reality, mean actually making such a decision...it is the IHSAA, after all.  

I'm not sure that's what the OP what is pointing out.  I think it's that until this week the IHSAA website said the following:

"Game assignments will be announced on Saturday, Nov. 20th, 2021 following the semi-state championship games."

That's not a "considering", that's what the IHSAA said they were going to do.  But then Monday 11/15 they just posted the same odd's and even's schedule they've always used with no real explanation.  I don't really care either way....just seemed odd, I think that's all anyone else saying as well. 

Depending on how Semi-State goes, some Evansville area fans might be a little miffed...if they all advanced a 2/3/4 schedule would have been a cool thing for Evansville football.

I always considered any part of NW Indiana on Central Time to be Region, but saying such words has started fights before🤪

3 minutes ago, Bobref said:

Did it get called a false start? Is there video?

It did not....Westfield was flagged for jumping. 

Edit: Found it....49:43 mark in the video.  Also was a big deal about a holding call on HSE last drive that resulted in HSE getting a 1st down.

https://www.ihsaatv.org/?B=318093

On 10/9/2021 at 3:12 PM, Bobref said:

And this is why coaches keep trying this illegal crap: because sometimes they get away with it. That crew just made it doubly tough on the crews that Coach is going to see the rest of the season.

And that’s encroachment. No such thing as “offsides” in high school football.

HSE did this vs Westfield last Friday.  On a punt in the first half.

2 hours ago, NPFB said:

Mountain Lions (Cougars) have now been spotted in Indiana, please don’t call the IHSAA if one happens to run across Amzie Miller Field! It probably feels safe from the lack of music coming from our speakers. 

The old legends about the “Boone County Cougar”, were in no way an actual reference to a species of subfamily Felinae.  You’d have had a better chance of spotting one at Ike & Jonsies back in the day.

On 10/31/2021 at 9:56 PM, PHJIrish said:

A for instance, today a Colt tackler hit the Tennessee QB around the ankles as he released the ball and it was called.  Maybe it is just my imagination but it seemed that the hit had to be high or really late for roughing to be called.  Oh well. thanks for the update, Bob.

This is the "Tom Brady" rule....to prevent QB's from getting hit low.  Ironic they didn't change the rule when it happened to Carson Palmer when he was a Bengal and they actually were pretty good.  Palmer was never the same after that, the Bengals went back to being the Bengals.

18 hours ago, BTF said:

5.   Gotta go with Mishawaka in this one. I'd say they are more battle tested and the two teams they lost to are pretty good.  Cavemen win by 10

  

Northwood's two losses are to Concord and Logansport.

1. Concord beat Cavies by 2 scores.....Northwood took them to OT and only lost by a point.
2. Logansport is undefeated in 4A and ranked in the top ten of both polls.

Not a great metric

1 hour ago, Indiana Fan said:

The HCC as a whole is right there with the MIC as of now. 

MIC average Sag rating: 85.71

HCC average Sag rating: 85.66

As a former NLC guy....Would love to see the Tigers come out of the sectional!  Wouldn't be too disappointed to travel to K-County.  Warsaw has solid facilities!

10 hours ago, Bobref said:

If I were king, DPI would be an automatic 1st down, and yardage enforcement would be according to what we jokingly called the “umpire rule.” The umpire gets the ball at the previous spot, and starts walking toward the Team B goal line. He stops when he gets to the spot of the foul, half the distance to the goal, or 15 yds., whichever comes first.

This makes too much common sense to have any chance whatsoever...

2 hours ago, NLCTigerFan07 said:

I did not see the offense that Plymouth ran in Week 1 and Week 2, but yes in fact last week against Warsaw, they tried running some variation of the triple option. I was surprised to see it as well, and you could tell the kids did not seem comfortable in it, specifically the linemen. I couldn't tell you how many times I saw their QB or a running back getting hit behind the scrimmage by the Tigers, and darn near every Plymouth lineman was standing there looking back.

Last week's game was the Channel 46 GOTW. You can watch it here: 

 

HOLY BLOCKS IN THE BACK!! @ 11:00 (1st Tiger Score)

17 hours ago, Bobref said:

Or, we have too many “rule book officials,” who think the process starts and stops at the black letter language of the rule, without any consideration of philosophy or the intent of the rules makers.

My fault.....I assumed the intent of the rule makers was to prevent....

On 9/5/2021 at 7:17 AM, Bobref said:

e. A pass intentionally thrown incomplete to save loss of yardage or to conserve time.

And in my defense, the lawyer comment was made with full knowledge of @Bobref's noble profession😁👍

In all seriousness, I'm a cranky defensive coach.  But I'm thankful that Bob and the rest of the officials come her to talk, debate, discuss, and in my case (often)...vent.  Good luck to everyone this Friday!

Ok....Devil's advocate.  Now give a detailed explanation of "duress".  😁

1. If a QB is safely in the pocket, 10 yards behind the LOS....is he in "duress"?
2. If after scanning for an open receiver, and not finding one for a few seconds....with the pocket still intact and 10 yards behind the LOS...is the QB in duress?
3. If in the next seconds, the pocket collapses and the QB is under heavy pressure is he under duress?

Under which of the above circumstances above would Mr. Demetriou allow a QB to IG the ball? 

I would argue that any high school QB knows that the progression of events from #1 to #3 happens very quickly.  By intentionally grounding the ball at step #2, he is avoiding the loss of yardage that he may reasonably assume will happens if he waits until the play gets to #3.  Should be flagged.

Is there not a reason the specific exemption for IG is written into the "kill the clock"?  Immediately after the snap.  To me that is the only way for the QB to truly not be in duress....at all other points, the QB is being actively pursued by the defense.  

Now, if we want to allow the QB to ground the ball when not under "duress" (as Mr. Demetriou seems to describe it)...I would suggest making the ball down at the spot of the throw.  How many officials want to have that on their plate along with everything else you have to manage with an arguably undersized crew?  None so it will never happen.

At LEAST 2 rules are in the book to address when a QB can intentionally ground the ball.  (IG rule and kill the clock rule.  I don't think adding conjecture to that is necessary.  You either ground it at the snap, or have to get it in the vicinity of a receiver (and I'm ok with chucking it well over a guys head on sideline or redzone...QB has to have enough ability and time to get that done).  

Great discussion....I just think we have too many lawyers in the officiating business, making the plain language of the rules more complicated than necessary.🤪

But he can be downfield blocking on a "screen" pass...correct?

That is the specific question asked in the original post.

Throwing a ball away to nothing instead of taking the sack, taking a knee, or becoming a runner quite literally is .....

On 9/5/2021 at 7:17 AM, Bobref said:

e. A pass intentionally thrown incomplete to save loss of yardage or to conserve time.

Too many white hats throw this part away when making the call...."well he didn't gain an advantage".  Excuse me....2 & 10 is an advantage over 2 & 15.  I'd also argue with the premise of the question posed...."he rolls right and gets free of the rush"....but can't continue upfield or out of bounds due to his ankle??

If an offense can't play a healthy QB, or protect him as a passer...the white hat shouldn't be using a conservative view of IG to protect them for loss of ANY yards or time.  This is 100% gaining an advantage to avoid a negative yardage play.  Its not hard for a QB to throw it at the feet of a receiver or over the head of one near the sideline.  If the QB can't do either of those....congratulations to the defense for making it so.

Dumping it into pasture is gaining an advantage with time or yards.

:rant off:😀

45 minutes ago, NLCTigerFan07 said:

Wawasee (0-2) at Northridge (2-0): Honestly not much to say here. We have one team (Northridge) who's only given up 14 points through their first two games. We have another team (Wawasee) who has only scored 14 points through their first two games. This will get ugly early in Middlebury. If the Raiders score enough points, I would not be surprised to see a running clock in effect for most of the second half. Northridge by 35

Coach Eppley gonna hang 5 extra TD's on his alma mater?!?!?  That's cold🤪

This is only out of curiosity.....does Penn accept out of district transfers?  I haven't lived up north for a long time, but it would seem there would be some interest in people doing that.

16 hours ago, ptr said:

FWIW, I see that these numbers are for grades 9 through 11 whereas the current numbers posted before it on the current enrollment of the bigger Marion County and the doughnut county schools are for grades 9 through 12. Regardless, it shows the effect of the overflow of Indy area population into those school districts. Many of the those schools use to be quiet rural schools with fairly low enrollments before the mass exodus of people from Indy over the last 20-30 years.

Good catch...hadn't noticed that.

https://www.ihsaa.org/archive/b-baseball/Assignments20012003.htm

Here is early 00's.  Would still love to find something from mid 90s.  I copied all the schools over 1,000 students.  What is most interesting is how much disparity there is now....The difference between today's Top and bottom of 6A (Carmel & Valpo 5286-2054=3,232) is much larger than the total enrollment of BD in the early 00's.