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Fully aware my opinion may not be popular with some....

RE: Teacher pay.  Some of this is relative to the corporation contract structure.  Speaking personally, we have a rather favorable contract structure for experienced teachers with a Master's.  I do not feel "underpaid", considering I'm contracted for a little over 180 days a year.  If you prorated my salary out over an entire year, my teacher salary is very competitive with most anything else I'd be interested or qualified to do.

RE: Coaching pay.  For the vast majority of coaches, the off-season commitment has increased exponentially over the years ....your coaching stipend has not.  And because these commitments, by their nature, generally occur outside of the school day...it has a much more significant impact on your own family obligations.  And its generally not compensated for.  

Now none of us got into coaching high school football to get rich.  But I suspect the turnover your seeing is a direct reflection of the expectation that football coaches give so much more of their offseason time, while still expecting them to have full time teaching workloads and not increasing their extracurricular stipend to an amount commensurate with that time commitment.   Off-season weights, off-season football workouts (now ok to do), a full summer weight and football practice schedule, multiple summer scrimmages, throw in a team camp, clinics, etc, etc  ....My wife would trade my being MIA during two weeks of 2 a Days, for June/July rules going back to their previous versions.  When you have kids with their own Winter, Spring, Summer stuff and a wife that works her own job, the off-season time starts to require sacrifices of more than just Dad...most of that load goes on Mom.  We all know this, we signed up for it, we love the game; but a lot of coaches are finding that when it comes to raising a family in the 2020's...the balance just isn't there anymore.

With some exceptions, your "mega-schools" will be able to manage this better due to a wide variety of resources, and your tiny schools, won't have as much commitment of time due to the number of athletes that are shared with other sports. Its the schools somewhere in the middle that are really putting the squeeze on their coaches.  Of course there are exceptions to this.

Notice I don't have any answers...

People knock on some schools that created internal positions for head coaches, coordinators, etc.  But the reality is, those schools understand what is being asked in terms of the time commitment to have a successful program.  If your community has a football program with 75-100+ kids, with an expectation that it will be successful.  You want good coaches with staff continuity, that's only gonna happen if the coaches feel the juice is worth the squeeze every year.  In some places it isn't.  

(I'm sure there are a variety of typos, etc above....I don't have the energy to proof read since this was more or less a rant of 🤮mental word vomit)

Directors meet today, Exec Committee meets tomorrow (5/3).  Sectional assignments could be released any time after that.

Side note:  Appears IHSAA may be voting to throw out/modify the 300 mile rule for contests.

17 hours ago, Piratefan101 said:

They have a statment on the ihsaa website that says 1st week of may it will be out 

That's never stopped the GID before!! 

I should have used more purple in my previous post

IHSAA Exec committee met last Friday....it's disappointing that none of the regulars have posted any "insider" information. 

Shame...🤪

55 minutes ago, DE said:

You think these big time "student" athletes in question here, are REALLY doing all their original work?????

 

Obviously I need to use more purple.....

Or include things like this:

I'm honestly curious how much longer "academic" requirements will need to be met for an athlete to complete.  With a multimillion$ collective NIL deal, one could hire a great number of "tutors" specific to each course of study. 🤔 Might be a good trickle down effect for the smart academic kids.

I think its entertaining to see the NCAA twist into pretzels trying to maintain the charade.

Can't wait to see how the IHSAA is going to deal with this....there are several High School athletes across the country with big money NIL deals.  Personally, I would have shillled for BWs & Papa John's gift cards🤪

On 3/10/2022 at 3:28 PM, NLCTigerFan07 said:

This wouldn't surprise me, it HAS to happen. Looking at the schools, I previously posted these options for 6A North. There are 10 schools NORTH of Indy in 6A. At the very least, 2 schools will HAVE to head NORTH to make up 3 of the sectionals.

My best guesses:

Sectional 1: Crown Point, Lafayette Jeff, Lake Central, Portage
Sectional 2: Elkhart, Penn, Warsaw, Westfield
Sectional 3: Carroll, Homestead, Noblesville, Northrop
Sectional 4: Carmel, Fishers, Hamilton Southeastern, Zionsville

OR

Sectional 1: Crown Point, Lake Central, Lafayette Jeff, Zionsville
Sectional 2: Elkhart, Penn, Portage, Warsaw
Sectional 3. Carroll, Homestead, Noblesville, Northrop
Sectional 4: Carmel, Fishers, Hamilton Southeastern, Westfield

There is precedent already set of sending .....

It may be my explanation...but  my previous posts might be misunderstood somewhere...I've never said there wouldn't be an HCC school going somewhere north (although if HSE & Fishers ended up in a sectional with Homestead and Warsaw....can't we argue that Homestead and Warsaw are going south, just as much as HSE & Fishers are going north????)🤪

What I said was I don't see anyway the IHSAA splits the 6A north metro schools into 3 sectionals.  I think the IHSAA would STRONGLY prefer at least one non-indy 6A school makes a semi-state appearance (6A south is basically guaranteed to be two metro schools). 

Zionsville, Carmel, Westfield, Noblesville, Fishers, & HSE will be spread out thru sectionals 3 & 4, so that no matter what only one makes it out of the regional.  There are some different ways to skin that cat. 

Just my 2 cents....worth that much.

15 hours ago, Piratefan101 said:

There has already been a statement by the HCC schools that they are making the travel all the way north 

???

14 hours ago, crimsonace1 said:

Here's the list of football-playing schools tabbed by enrollment and likely class next year. 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18x4CjZOBcDgC9V6clbOXc4XgTXubeav5H5kXfSocLSk/edit?usp=sharing

North Option B....I don't see Penn and Elkhart Driving past each other to go to those sectionals.  I'd flip them and that may be what happens.

My sense is the IHSAA wants all the North HCC + Carmel schools to feed into one regional (as you have in both your options).  Whether that is 4 in one and 2 in another, or 3 in two sectionals. 

I don't see any chance IHSAA spreads those schools out over 3 sectionals.

The success will be entirely dependent on if Goshen Admin is willing to HIRE coaches to fill teaching positions.  There is a LOT of turnover in admin at Goshen right now.  IF they start prioritizing the hiring of coaches who will teach in the buildings....I think Coach W has a serious shot at turning it around. 

If not....

1 hour ago, Indiana Fan said:

If I were Carmel I would not want to schedule them with them voting against to allow them in. Obviously Carmel will need to find opponents though so I am sure they will continue to schedule.

I am a MIC guy and will miss having Carmel and CG. However, I think it is completely weak minded of the HCC voters to not allow those schools in. HCC has large schools with lots of money and good communities and they don't want Carmel and CG in? Just crazy thinking. They play them in most sports anyway. I think it is very weak!!

Obviously this is a football centric board, but people are aware that football is very, very far away from the issues that drove this outcome, aren’t they?  
 

If football was the only parameter I think CG and Carmel are unanimously accepted.  From everyone I’ve talked to this was driven by the impact adding Carmel to the conference championship mix in non revenue sports.  Especially those that already see Carmel in sectionals.  I understand that argument.  I think a lot of people do, even if they feel Carmel and CG should have been admitted.
 

I wasn’t in the meeting.  I don’t vote.  But I’ve had conversations with coaches at multiple schools, and a couple administrators.  ALL of them mention this as the big issue.  
 

My 2 cents, likely worth about that much🤣

1 hour ago, Indiana Fan said:

Why would they play them? Voted no against.

So you think Carmel is going to say "we won't play non-con against HCC schools" as a grudge?

Or do you think HCC schools won't schedule them because they didn't get into the conference?

I strongly disagree with both....but am confused about your premise.  

2 minutes ago, HoosierFB_JG said:

That would be impossible unless the HCC changes their schedule.  Currently, HCC only allows for week 1 and 2 as non conference.

Carmel could technically allow for HSE and Westfield (just an example) in the first two weeks then Cathedral in week 3.  That leaves six openings and I’m sorry to say but there aren’t but 2-3 other programs in Indiana that bring the type of competition Carmel needs to see to get them tournament ready.

Personally, I haven’t been a fan of this since day one because of football scheduling.

I overlooked how the addition of FC changed things.  It used to be there was another floating non-conf game.  Those pesky Flashes🤪

There are plenty of HCC schools that would be happy to add Carmel as a non-conference game.  Thats a totally different issue than why they weren't allowed into the conference.

"If" Carmel stays independent...I predict you could see them playing 4-5 HCC schools a year in football.

I haven't heard what the vote count was yet....any rumors?

I predict the next two years will result in some shaking up of multiple Indy Metro conferences.

NO ONE IS BRINGING THIS UP!!?!?

#SIAC4LIFE

I can't believe I'm saying this...but completely agree with the East vs West All-Star split. 

Although I don't think its as easy as drawing the line right down the middle of the state, the voting is done based upon IFCA Regions...you'd have to find a way to divide the Regions into East/West...which I'm sure you could do...It just wouldn't be a neat as drawing a line down 31.

There are 10 regions....as long as Five go to each team and you split Indy and the other bigger population centers up fairly evenly you could do whatever you wanted and it would be more interesting.

2 minutes ago, DE said:

Can you elaborate on what Dunlap means?  It should read Concord, correct?

Correct.  Concord HS is technically in a small town (?) called Dunlap.  But is basically the southeastern part of Elkhart.

Concord has historically been the “little brother” that typically beat up on his older brother/brothers of Elkhart (or Central & Memorial before the merger).  
 

Has always been a rivalry there…my guess is someone at Elkhart was trying to make a statement.  

4 hours ago, DE said:

Who is Dunlap?

That’s not likely an accident…

🤣

On 12/23/2021 at 7:52 PM, foxbat said:

There aren't too many majority-Hispanic high schools in Indiana, but of the ones that are, their football teams aren't any more than .500 at best.

You don’t even have to look outside the NLC to see the perfect example of this phenomenon….

9 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

I don't disagree with anything you have stated. However I don't get the travel time.  How would any HCC teams have more travel time to Carmel than any of their other members? Carmel is right there with several members (Westfield, Fishers, HSE, Noblesville). Why would travel with Center Grove be an issue to not accept them yet Franklin Central isn't (for some of the members Center Grove would be closer than Franklin Central). To me Travel Time would be a scape goat excuse (don't get me wrong not throwing that on you just something that baffles me).

Obviously its not Carmel they are talking about....and to be clear, I'm just relaying what I'm hearing from other coaches (and not a few parents).  One of them is that travel time to CG is not what north side schools are looking forward to.

Football isn't the issue (IMO)...since HCC football is a Friday night and Saturday deal.  But week night events in other sports are were it grinds some people.

A lot of HCC schools complained about the Lafayette schools back in the day.  Some complain about FC now. 

The common follow up is why are we driving all the way to "School X", when we could be playing/competing against "School Y" that is much closer.

I can't imagine many girl swimmers in the HCC are looking forward to Carmel being added.  Particularly ones that already see Carmel in the sectional.  The chances of winning a title at any level now almost evaporate.

5 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Any idea on schools that are most resistant to adding Carmel/Center Grove? Purely from a fan standpoint I'd love to see a conference shake up between the HCC and MIC establishing new members as such:

New HCC

Carmel

Center Grove

Westfield

Zionsville

Fishers 

HSE

Noblesville

New MIC

Warren

Ben Davis

Brownsburg

Avon

Franklin Central

Pike

Lawrence Central

Lawrence North

 

HCC could leave a spot open to potentially add an 8th member in Mt Vernon assuming they continue their rapid growth. 

To heck with North Central?🤣

1 hour ago, Indiana Fan said:

However, I have also heard that a decent amount of the HCC schools want NO part in allowing CG and Carmel in.

I can verify first hand that this number is higher than many people outside would expect. For a wide variety of reasons (from competitive balance to travel time, and others).  And in a wide variety of sports.  I have no crystal ball that I can look into and predict what would happen, but anyone that thinks this is a "for sure" deal is mistaken.  My personal feelings are that I WANT CG and C to play HCC teams in regular season play....it would be great football.  Whether that is in a conference structure or not is for others to decide.

My only prediction would be that any of the following are real possibilities:

1. HCC adds C & CG and goes to a closed 10 team conference
2. HCC adds C & CG and goes to a 2 division schedule that would allow for non-conference games and some cross over play
3. HCC adds one of the above and not the other.
4. HCC declines both and a "new conference" is formed with C, CG, and one or some HCC members that break off.

The last one is the real monkey wrench that would cause a lot of dominoes to fall.  My gut tells me this is the least likely, but I really don't know.

Of course if we are still in the "Trust Tree", I would admit that it could be something else too....something really cool....that I don't even know about 🤪

1 hour ago, foxbat said:

I do too, for selfish reasons, as Harrison has had Westfield on its schedule, as a conference or non-conference opponent, since 2001.

My understanding Harrison and Westfield are not continuing this match up.