Irishman

4th Gold in a row in the 800M Free

Gold and Bronze on the vault

Here is the game winner; HELLUVA shot

Nice win for the US Women

lol

A league of her own

I have been following his story for a few years now. Yes, even this Packers fan tears up. This is an honor long overdue for him.

And as the article said, they may break the record again in the finals.

This was a really impressive performance. Even though the event is young; to break the world by almost a second is crazy. https://apnews.com/article/2024-olympics-mixed-relay-record-c2a4a915267cc1e73ce3a200fd3e57e5

This was a great race finish to watch. Incredible effort to get to 3rd. https://www.nbcolympics.com/videos/olympic-record-plus-american-bronze-epic-10000m-final?utm_tags=oly4425

I would agree if there is a way to effectively test, then do it. The article references IAAF requirements. Those were dropped in 2021 due to side effects and other complications. The challenge though is the varying degrees of it in female athletes......cannot really have a 1 size fits all. If there was a way to gauge a normal range for one and compare it to where they are prior to the start of the Olympics or other world championships, maybe??? These athletes train year round though and the training cycles they go through would make it difficult to find a good time or place in their training. The next thought would be to see a consistent level prior to a given competition. Don't know the answers there; it's slightly above my pay grade. I would also agree that many countries have cheated to gain medals. But are those countries secular? or strict Muslim countries like Algeria? I would not put it past them to cheat within a given sport, but to have a male compete as a female? My limited knowledge of Muslims still tells me that is a HUGE no. The cheating aspect is why I am not a supporter of trans athletes......full disclosure, trans women competing against women. I say that because I think we all agree there just would not be an advantage for a trans man to compete against men because of the disadvantages. Lia Thomas comes to mind. I think that whole thing was "her" trying to achieve at a higher level than what they competed at as a male. That said, like you, I too think these are important discussions to have. Far too long the thinking has been over simplified; that xx simply means someone is female, and xy means they are male. But there are enough cases where that is not the case and needs to be recognized. It becomes a political hot topic when a candidate mentions gender affirming care. As the article you mentioned shows there are other health issues that come with people who happen to be xy with female anatomical features, and xx with male anatomical features.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2024/08/01/olympic-gender-testing-boxers/74615354007/ So they were banned last year, but were eligible in 22 with the same DNA and the years prior. So it's not known that her testosterone level was too high, or high enough to be an unfair advantage. FTA: IBA president Umar Kremlev said DNA tests “proved they had XY chromosomes and were thus excluded."

Ok, so the passport...issued by a devout Sunni Muslim government that says she is female, in a country where saying otherwise is illegal. If there was a reliable test to use to determine at what level it becomes an unfair advantage, I am fine with that. If there were a test in place and she were DQ'd for elevated levels, ok. If my daughter were one of the 9 boxers who has defeated her, sure 🙂 I agree the IOC is susceptible to politics. It often times uses its selections thinking it can bring about change. Beijing being awarded the games was a huge debacle. Point of clarification that I just saw. She was not DQ'd for elevated levels of testosterone by the IBA last year. She was banned due to having XY Chromosomes.

I am aware of that.....but the IBA was also compromised with its ties to Russian money coming in along with other scandals that posed a serious threat to international boxing as a whole. It's partly why they were banned by the IOC prior to the Tokyo games. That said, Khelif was eligible by IBA standards in the lead up to the Tokyo games and was a silver medalist in the 2022 world championships. If the IOC tested her and she had elevated levels of testosterone and was DQ'd I would have no issue with that. The challenge in testing testosterone levels too is that elite female athletes tend to have higher than normal levels of it being naturally produced in their systems. As far as the passport goes. Algeria granted her a passport. As strict as they are, while it's easy to say it's not very scientific, it is based on what is on her birth certificate.

Yeah, what the hell was I thinking reading your post like that? silly me.

The reality is the only thing that would satisfy you at this point is if she showed you her privates. You ask if the IOC has verified it, then in your next post claim they cannot be trusted. The fact is the only person you trust here to reach the conclusion that she is a female is you alone.

The implication here is "hey let's cheat so we can get ONE gold medal in the 66kg weight class". It's laughable at best.

So you DO think all those people in Algeria lied. The IOC took over direct governing responsibilities because of the IBA's ties to the Russian government. She met every standard the IOC has in place.

Her birth certificate says female. Her dad, a Sunni Muslim says she is a female. Her Country's government says she is a female. Why would so many make an exception for just one individual in each of those circumstances?

If you don't want to be stuck with the label of usual suspect, don't respond or react like one....you just proved my point....more than once here. So you believe a doctor and hospital in a country that is 97% Sunni Muslim would write the other gender on a birth certificate? Or their government issue someone claiming to be female that is a biological male a passport? Or they allowed someone to compete on a world stage as a trans athlete? Yeah, that makes sense....so much sense.

And in Algeria, if she had external, she would have been labeled a male. Pretty simple honestly.

Still not surprised

Not at all surprised by your reaction and response.