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6 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Whitestown is a very fast growing community however and wouldn't be shocked to see a new high school emerge in the coming years, possibly consolidated with Lebanon. 

Do students in Whitestown go to Lebanon or to Zionsville?

On 5/18/2021 at 11:52 PM, Justasportsfan said:

Ig i was born in the sweet spot and had the honor of watching a few of these teams. If people watched film on these teams it may change their mind..the 91 BD team was amazing..the 06 Warren team was immaculate. It kind of ruins a person's perspective after you see greatness..possibly in the next few years we will have analytics to assist with the greatest team of all time discussion (someone create the poll) that will list how many linebackers ran sub 4.5 who were listed at 215 or wrs that were 6'1 that clocked 4.3 40's..athletes are supposed to always get bigger, faster, and stronger yet I fail to believe that those teams from the 80s and 70s weren't just as tough.

There was some old school nasty on the BD '91 squad.  They were as tough as they were good. They'd pound you. Closest game was at state vs. Penn and I think, if memory serves, they were up 35-0 before Penn scored a couple. It's been 30 years so I may be foggy.

On 6/11/2021 at 2:55 PM, fenderbender said:

When FC hired WC's basketball coach, I heard that some WC talent followed him.  I also had heard that this started happening on the football team prior to the new coaching hire.  Wonder if this will happen to a larger degree with the coaching change??

It's possible. Those guys that liked Coach West may move to follow him. I'd think those considering a "move" might want to hedge their bets since Kirsch was the hire to replace West.

I will say this...Center Grove does a lot of things right when it comes to building a culture and has for years. It is kind of a "Texas" type atmosphere when it comes to the community's support for high school athletics and football.

On 4/14/2021 at 11:44 PM, DT said:

  Could Tom Allen pull a miracle and turn Curry to Bloomington?  

Yes. Sure he can. He's done it with other players. Will he? Remains to be seen.

On 6/7/2021 at 4:37 AM, FBfanatic40 said:

A lot of noise coming from south east indy this off season. I think Franklin Central football is back on the map. They are going to ruin a lot of teams seasons this year. I'm gonna say that they will be, by far, the most improved team in the state. Look out 6A!

As a former Franklin Central teacher, I'd love to see it. Franklin Central is supported by a special community, but, unless Center Grove is hit by a ton of injuries, there's no way they are getting out of Sectional anytime soon. Yeah, Coach West is a great football coach and has proved that at both his HC stops, but this is a heavier rebuild, IMO. Wish him well though.

CG isn't the only program working in June. 

There's also this. The coach is gone, but yeah...it allegedly happened.

http://www.dailyjournal.net/2021/02/01/ihsaa-violations-alleged-at-greenwood-christian/

10 hours ago, DT said:

Covenent had a plan, starting with a state championship wiinning head coach.

Thats far from scraping together 15 undersized kids just to field a geam

 

It's Covenant. 

No room on BD's schedule for several seasons. It's my understanding that Brownsburg and Avon are locked down long term as out-of-conference foes.

1 hour ago, DT said:

Kevin Wright could put this together for any MIC school in a heartbeat. 

 

 

 

Kevin Wright is at Indiana now as an assistant to Tom Allen.

15 hours ago, temptation said:

No disrespect intended for Center Grove, but I feel like teams knew the game was going to be a no contest when they lined up across from 2006 Warren/2017 BD (I’m also too young to have seen 1991 BD in person).

CG let teams (LN/Cathedral) hang around last season.  The 2006 Warren/2017 BD squads were coasting after halftime.

The schedule strength argument is a good one though.  CG definitely has the advantage there for the reasons mentioned.

'17 BD was supremely talented offensively. Reese Taylor was a human highlight film with an offense full of weapons. '06 Warren was good on both sides of the football. '91 BD was in that vein. They had a great mobile QB named Chris Ings and a phenomenal running back named Steve Holman. Steve was big and tough. The defense was also fantastic, and they had maybe the best kicker BD's ever had as well in Trinity Hines. 

Just now, Footballking16 said:

Hard to argue that, but that CG defense is no joke either. Never gave up more than 14 points and did it playing arguably a harder schedule than the 06 Warren team. I think that CG team belongs in the conversation. 

I believe that Warren team had multiple 300 pounders up front. They wasted BD (ranked #2) 76-7 that year. Granted, BD may have been overrated to start the year, but they beat us up so bad in that game, BD had to start its fourth-string QB vs. TH North the next week.

Just now, Footballking16 said:

Say what you want about last years CG team but I think they belong in that conversation. Can't really comment on the 91 BD teams as I was in diapers then, but the 2020 CG team is up there with the 06 Warren team.

2020 CG team

Average win 40-7

5 shutouts

Never gave up more than 14 points

2006 Warren

Average win 48-8

5 shutouts

That Warren team definitely had more D1 talent but would argue Center Grove played a much tougher schedule. MIC in 06 still had the Terre Haute teams and North Central wasn't what they were today. It's debatable because that Warren Central team was incredible but that CG team was as well. 

That 06 Warren team was the most physically dominant team I've ever seen.

On 5/16/2021 at 8:57 AM, temptation said:

It depends on what we are considering the “Center Grove teams of today” in my opinion.

Are we accepting that sendIng over a half dozen guys to D1 schools is the new norm at Center Grove?  Or is that an anomaly?

Those BD teams in the 90s and Warren teams in the 2000s were loaded just like CG is now but they also had years in which they were not “as rich” with D1 talent.

The 2020-21 Trojans could play with anybody but I still think that most of CG’s teams still pale in comparison to the BD/Warren teams mentioned above.

Just my opinion.

My gold standards are '06 Warren Central and '91 Ben Davis. Those two teams were exceptional. I don't know if we've seen the likes of them since or will see them again.

28 minutes ago, BTF said:

Would Center Grove teams of today match up well with WC and BD teams of the past? 

I think they would.

1 hour ago, BTF said:

I wouldn't say they are in purgatory with regard to the north, just the Central Indiana behemoths. With an enrollment of 2100 and a pretty good coach, there is no reason they shouldn't be a major player north of Indy. A 6A championship may not be very realistic, but they could potentially become one of the better 'pound for pound' teams in the state. 

I heard an urban legend that Penn at one point was contacted by Ben Davis and a handful of others about forming a conference like the MIC before the MIC. I don't know if it's true or not, but I've heard it.

On 5/10/2021 at 9:40 PM, DT said:

The objective here is to bring a 6A state title to Northern Indiana.  

 

Gotta go back to scheduling the MIC then. 

1 hour ago, Trojanmp52 said:

For most people I know once we are south of Big Ben road off of 37/69 we are in northern Kentucky

so we are south of the state lol

Center Grove is in Sectional 8. That means that they are south per the IHSAA.

4 hours ago, temptation said:

Now THAT is a fact.  Pike or Carmel would have to basically drive through Wayne Township to play a sectional road game at Avon or Brownsburg while BD's bus passes them going the other direction to travel to any road venue in their sectional.

Pike/BD/Avon/Brownsburg should be the Sectional. Huge gates. It never should have changed, but Carmel had to go south and somewhere. Personally, I think they fit more with LN/LC/NC, but that leaves Warren without a spot. I mean, it could be Warren, Tech, Perry, and Southport...The whole IHSAA policy of keeping schools in the same district in the same Sectional locks in a few scenarios. 

12 hours ago, Grover said:

Potentially.  But come on, man!  BD landing in sectional 6 rather than sectional 5 is a huge gift to the Giants!

No question. 

On 5/4/2021 at 9:12 AM, Muda69 said:

I propose an entry on the GID and it's history.

 

Tim Adams would be a nice feature. We all miss the big fella. TA was the best.

4 hours ago, Trojanmp52 said:

Or CG had to play a team that has two weeks of rest and time to prep for a game 

That won't make a difference in that Sectional...or it shouldn't.

14 hours ago, temptation said:

Three team sectionals?  What a joke.

Nothing like getting a bye to the sectional championship.

Agree. Tremendous advantage for Center Grove to not have to play an extra game potentially while Warren has three other MIC teams to contend with in their Sectional.

Same deal for the benefactor of this up in Sectional 3. Waltz to the Sectional title game while the other two duke it out on the other side.

On 4/28/2021 at 12:49 PM, Rudy said:

Hello everyone! I've been thinking about creating an Indiana High School Football records book/encyclopedia.

I would include info from my previous books (all-state players, tournament history, etc.) but would want to include other features, as well.

• conference standings
• coaching records
• state records for players
• list of state champs (including mythical back to 1800s)
• articles on legendary coaches and teams

What else would you want to see included?

Thanks,
Dan "Rudy" Engler
AlmanacSports.com

If you need any help on BD, I've got a history file I can share with you.