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Can't let this thread end on the previous post. 

Congratulations to both teams. Snider proved that they are the real deal. Some didn't believe before, but they do now. Some still don't believe. At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter. The Panthers are state champions and wouldn't back down from anyone in the state. 

Decatur Central is good. I was really impressed with their defense. I saw some things that many tend to overlook. They were just too one dimensional to really have a shot at this one. This team appears to be young and should make some noise in the next couple of years. Hopefully the "5A is weak" ramble subsides next season. I'm looking forward to seeing who comes out on top between DC and EC. I'm sure there will be other contenders as well. 

I admire your persistence. It was a game where the East Central fans, the most vocal of the tournament, pretty much stood up and screamed if the refs even looked at their players the wrong way. Forgive anyone on the other side for wanting something to go their way as well. 

That being said. Before I bow out for 2023. I'd like to congratulate East Central on a great season. This was one of the games I was most looking forward to see. I wanted to see how good this team really was. I wanted to see the D1 guys on Northwood's side of the ball and if they'd be able to make a game out one that NO ONE was giving them a chance in. I actually came away impressed with both squads. I think Northwood could have made it closer by playing it a bit more conservative instead of giving away good field position. In the end, it didn't matter. One way or another, the Trojans were going to win that game. They beat you with discipline and fundamentals. Good line play and a hell of a quick running back. Some think your team is the second best in the state. Some think you're the seventh best team in the state. In the end, the players think they are BEST team in the state, and that is all that really matters. Once again........congrats!

1 minute ago, FastpacedO said:

Pass interference is called if the defensive player contacts the offensive player while he is trying to catch the pass, unless the defender has turned his head to face the oncoming pass and is attempting to intercept it. Accidental, glancing contact is not penalized.

To me it wasn't ticky tack and was the correct call. @Bobref and @Yuccaguy can correct me if I am wrong. Had he not grabbed a handful of Brotherton's jersey he probably would have been okay. He did somewhat look back to the ball so contact could have been deemed accidental, but when you grab the jersey that will be called regardless (see photo)

Thanks for the insight. Noted and respected. Still think it was ticky tack. 

4 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

Out of the six games I watched this weekend. 

My takeaways:

1A and 2A games....my God what are they feeding these kids in these small schools. I was impressed with their size and talent 

3A....nothing really to note, other than Chatard is head and shoulders above that level of play.

4A...East Central is growing power in Southeast Indiana. It will be interesting to see what they do in 5A next year.

5A...Snider's D looked to be the best side of the ball I had seen all weekend. I was impressed by how they imposed their will on Decatur Central. 

6A... I have given up on the "we the north can compete" argument...any time one of our teams gets an impressive win in Semi-State we go down and....buzzsaw. One day a team from the north will win, but until then 6A kings remain in 6A south...

I love Snider football, I think they would put up a hell of a fight, better than the likes of Penn or CP have....we just don't get to see it...maybe next years team can be just as good so we can finally see what we all want to see.  Ben Davis, Center Grove, Brownsburg or Cathedral take on Snider. Until then, my hat tips to the south.

I hate (in the competitive sense) you guys, but I respect it. 

We must be on the same page, I was getting ready to post something similar. Congratulations to all teams and the runner-ups. 

Back at you folks up there at Penn. Snider Nation has the upmost respect for the Kingsmen. There's a solid chance these two teams will meet up next year. 

On 11/25/2023 at 4:24 PM, Howe said:

I am watching on IHSAAtv. The defender was pulling the jersey of the receiver as both players were jumping for the ball on slow motion replay. 

After showing the replay, those of us in the stands thought it was pretty ticky tack since refs seem to let kids play at this level of the tournament. Shouldn't have been called in my opinion. Overall though, I was very impressed how all the games were officiated. No one is perfect. 

3 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

Snider played WC opening game of the season..CG played WC as a well known opponent very late in the season. That’s not much to make comparisons.

How does one know if they have a shutdown D, if they don’t play the toughest opponents? CG played a way tougher schedule than Snider. 

But hey, fun to be hypothetical.  Thanks for sharing your thoughts. 

I'll chime in on this one. Your question is valid. 

I've been watching Snider football, like Komets, for a long time. This defense is arguably the best they've ever fielded. That's saying something for a program that's played for a state title nine times and who has the best record in Indiana going back 32 years. It wouldn't matter who they played, no one is making a fool out of this defense. It would keep them competitive against anyone. 

I agree with you. It's fun to debate these hypothetical rankings. I just wanted to give my opinion of what I think is a pretty special defense. 

I get it. You'll have some point at Homestead's 17 points in regulation, or Carroll's 24 and say, "what would Ben Davis's offense do if they played Snider?" At the end of the day, when they are playing at the top of their game, they are absolutely a "shutdown D." If you're a one dimensional run oriented offense, you're in big trouble. 

28 minutes ago, BTF said:

They won't claim Anderson though, even though it's an Indy burb. Hopefully I get some laughs on that one. 

Seriously though, when I saw that INDOT 3-laned I69 all the way to Anderson, I couldn't help but chuckle. "Did Snider mercy rule an Indy suburban team at the start of the third quarter?" 

2 minutes ago, temptation said:

We don’t have to “ forget it.”  It’s great conversation.  Unlikely any BD players are reading this forum…you don’t need to shy away from branching off onto other topics.  We can respect what BD just did and still have our opinions.

Look, the HCC is the best conference in Indiana , top to bottom.  Folks are going to continue to pile on unfairly until they win a title which I guess is fine.  It’s an easy target.

However, you have to be “on” each Friday night or you are going to get snatched.  Hell, Snider found out that one bad night on the wrong night against middle of the road SAC squads can get you beat.

The difference is there is no Concordia, Wayne, Northrop, our South Side on the schedule for HCC teams which is why I was adamant Snider would be a middle of the pack HCC team were they to play an HCC schedule.

Once again, that is not diminishing the accomplishments of Snider.  It’s just my opinion.  
 

They have a significant enrollment disadvantage against the teams you mentioned and the wear and tear of that schedule every 7 days would take its toll.

I always end these debates with you with the same Homestead/Noblesville story from a few years back…

Homestead was snoring that game. They came back a week later and outplayed Indy's best team for two quarters without their best player. 

I didn't want to hijack the 6A title game, hence me saying "forget it" instead of:

Snider was also a 45 yard field goal from bowing out to Mishawaka. Everyone in the state of Indiana not in attendance at that game deemed Snider "average." At the end of the day, I don't know why Ben Davis almost lost Warren Central anymore than you know why Snider lost to Homestead or almost lost to Mishawaka. Who really cares. None of it changes the fact that both Ben Davis and Snider are state champions. 

5 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

The Indy Star started the bias many years ago  and they basically drew a line that anything South of Muncie is “Indy” area and North of Muncie is pretty much irrelevant. You’ve been around long enough to know this as that hasn’t been a secret

They won't claim Anderson though, even though it's an Indy burb. Hopefully I get some laughs on that one. 

7 minutes ago, temptation said:

Yep.  But BD, East Central, and Chatard didn’t lost on their “bad week.”

Really though, after your "CG, Ben Davis, and Brownsburg would roll CP" comment, I had to look at Westfield's schedule, which led me to Brownsburg's schedule. Interesting that Brownsburg wasted Westfield and Noblesville was the closest game on their schedule. Lol, that's really all I was saying. You took it the wrong way. But since you took it there.................

Forget it. 

Congratulations to Ben Davis on their state title and fantastic season. 

11 minutes ago, dazed and confused said:

I well may have... does obliterate mean "praise" ?

With all of the "5A is bad" talk, I anticipated many posters outside of Northeastern Indiana claiming #6 is too high for Snider. Apparently you're one of them, and that's okay. Until these teams play head to head to head, it's all opinionated. Nothing is a guarantee on any given Friday. The best post I've seen is in another thread with just a simple congratulations to all 6 champions and runner-ups. 

10 minutes ago, temptation said:

And no offense but CG or Brownsburg would have also rolled Crown Point…probably Cathedral too.

Interesting that Noblesville was Brownsburg's closest HCC game. I guess every team has one of those weeks. 

I have a hard time betting against Brownsburg, Ben Davis, and Center Grove. I've got Snider, Chatard, Cathedral, and East Central in a dead lock at #4. 

55 minutes ago, dazed and confused said:

That has updated... Snider now No. 9.

Hilarious !!! You mean posters from Fort Wayne...

No. 6 is too high for me !

You're obviously dazed and confused, I believe you misread my post. Thank you for your opinion though. 

1 hour ago, Komets2727 said:

Let’s be honest, Snider left at least 14 points off the board with silly mistakes and questionable play calling to be nice about it. The game really was never in doubt. DC obviously had a nice season and now they need to build on it. With EC coming up to 5A, there are no guarantees on getting back to LOS

Didn't take that into consideration. East Central won't be this good every year, but formidable for sure. DC will stick around. 

2 hours ago, Komets2727 said:

Rightfully so that we were hard on Luers. They got slaughtered by East Noble and New Haven in back to back weeks. They showed zero compete level at that time. Then they got some confidence playing the bottom feeders in the SAC, and those teams were absolutely awful, didn’t have to play Snider or Carroll, who would have obliterated them, played tough against 6A Homestead, and then ran thru a down 2A. 

Luers played very well in the tourney and are to be congratulated. They showed a high compete level and did what most of us expect them to do every year, be a front runner for a state title
 

Agree. 

1 hour ago, Komets2727 said:

I was not impressed by DC at all, offensively or defensively. Merrillville had a really good defense, but not much on offense. 5A is wide open next year. Mishawaka, Valpo, and Merrillville will be good in the North, not sure in the South, maybe Bloomington South, Bloomington North, and Whiteland 

I dunno, DC looked like a darn good team to me. Let's not forget this was a one possession game going into the fourth quarter. I get it, Snider had some missed opportunities, but there was a defense on the other side of the ball that caused those disruptions. 

Did I hear Tommy Rees? Sounds like something IU would do. They need a guy whose tasted success at the head coaching position. This is no job for a coordinator. 

Just now, LuersLurker said:

Darn if I can remember only 4 of the names:  Anthony Spencer, Coach Kyle Lyndsay, Adam Griffith, Micheal Ledo.  Someone help me out. And to think that I had pictures of them in my Classroom.

Michael Ledo. I was trying to remember that name. One of the better running backs to come out of Fort Wayne. 

Not bad. Carmel, Warren Central didn't live up to the preseason hype.  Chatard, and Decatur Central over exceeded. 

I like DC and Merrillville next year. I expect both to flirt with that 15 spot. 

2 hours ago, Komets2727 said:

Luers would beat both Lutheran and Adams Central I believe

You and I were both hard on Luers this season. I love when a team proves critics wrong. 

59 minutes ago, LuersLurker said:

1999-2001 were the years of the Great Eight.

I remember those years well. Anthony Spencer's years were just as good as the Jaylon Smith years. Both those era's saw Luers beat Snider two years in a row. That's saying something. 

1 hour ago, temptation said:

Unfortunately, I think I agree. If Ohio State can get in after losing by three touchdowns on their home field last year they can get in playing the moral victory card yesterday also.

I still think a one loss Oregon or undefeated FSU is more deserving.

Even Texas.

I think it will be hard for the committee to exclude an undefeated Power Five program...........even if deep down they think another team is better. 

2 hours ago, dazed and confused said:

I agree… Sagarin has Snider at 16 !

I'm not sure why they are so off on Snider. I can't imagine Snider's the only program that goes easy on inferior opponents. 

Just now, Footballking16 said:

A one loss conference champion Oregon would absolutely get in over a one loss Ohio State who didn’t even win their division. Yes absolutely.

I get what your saying, but damn, it's a close call. I can't stand Ohio State, just trying to be objective here. 

Just now, Footballking16 said:

Should edit, a Georgia loss may not end their hopes. 4th team would come down to OSU or Georgia.

OSU since Michigan is better than Alabama.