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20 minutes ago, Boilernation said:

Lofty expectations? Are you familiar with why that season was awful? Saban wanted the Dolphins to trade for Drew Brees when it was clear the Chargers didn't want him. The Dolphins execs didn't want Brees and instead gave Saban an injured Daune Culpepper who never recovered and went on the IR a few weeks into the season. Saban is on record as saying he knew once the decision was made to take Culpepper over Brees (despite his wishes) he was going back to college. 

Yeah, but 6-10? Saban is a great coach, I'm just not ready to anoint him as the best of all time like some have. Resources.........lot's of them. 

3 hours ago, Bash Riprock said:

Sad part, I’m a big 10 guy..but got choose between a cheating program vs Bama. Not a great choice. 

I don't think Harbaugh is innocent, but I also don't believe Saban is squeaky clean. I still think he's the John Wooden of college football.

Disclaimer: No dog in this fight. 

2 hours ago, temptation said:

I think this is the first time in the history of the CFP you could make a legitimate case for all 4 teams.

Parity. Normally it's a two team show. 

It's hard to take the Big Ten seriously at this stage. Half of me says Michigan chokes royally (karma is a real thing), the other half says they take the whole thing with an "in your face" middle finger to all of their doubters and attackers. They'll dub themselves champions after their victory over Bama, then comes along Washington, the underdog once again, and the Huskies shock all of college football. 

23 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

Ok…if I follow your logic about Kelly, then why hasn’t LSU been a lock for CFP the last 2 years?  Saban also won a natty at LSU…in either his 2nd or 3rd year at the school. 

I’m not knocking Kelly…just don’t see him at the level of Saban. Please know I’m not in any way a Bama fan or a Saban guy. 

I think you're just giving your opinion as you see it. As am I. I see a coach who had one decent season at Michigan State. Not that it was that impressive since he was blown out twice that season. He was an average football coach at an average football program. But that one decent season propelled him to LSU. Four above average seasons at LSU, but he did have that one championship, kudos to him. He was awful in the NFL at a team that had lofty expectations. Fast forward to Alabama, a program that was tired of losing. I think the Tide made a commitment to win "by any means necessary" at that point. Think John Wooden at UCLA. Good coach, LOTS of resources.

Anyway, that's just my opinion. He's obviously a great coach, which is why I have him in the top three percentile of all of college football. I just don't think he's the "football God" that everyone else sees him as. Until every single college program has an equal amount of resources, I think it's hard to dub anyone as "the best." When I say he's Top 25, I'm saying he could be #1, or he could be #25. How could one know for sure?

As far as Brian Kelly is concerned, yeah, there's some things about him that lowers him on the likability scale. But he did take Notre Dame to relevance. No he didn't win a national championship, but does anyone really expect the Irish to with their academic standard? He's won everywhere he's been. He'll win at LSU if they give him a chance. 

2 hours ago, Bash Riprock said:

But they haven’t, so….

He obtained that talent over the years by resurrecting and sustaining a top tier program in arguably the toughest conference. You make it sound like a walk in the park…

Kelly has absolutely no excuses now when it comes to academic standards…

I would argue what Kelly did at Notre Dame with his resources was equally, if not more, impressive than what Saban has done at Alabama. Saban is a good coach for sure. Again, Top 25 is a compliment. 

1 hour ago, Bobref said:

And if we’re talking about college coaches, isn’t ability to recruit that talent a skill some coaches are better at than others? Same for player development.

Free cars, lots of cash. If winning multiple national championships by using any means necessary makes you the best coach..............never mind. It's no wonder some really good coaches stay at the high school level. 

1 hour ago, Bobref said:

So, if you win multiple nattys over decades, that disqualifies you from consideration as a top tier coach because of the great talent you’ve been able to recruit and develop?

I'm sure there are 25 coaches out there that could do the same thing with the talent that he had. Top 25 is a compliment if you consider the number of college football programs sits at over 830. 

All this being said, how can one claim that Saban is a better coach than Brian Kelly given what Kelly did over a ten year span at a university with high academic standards. I've been saying for years that Nick Saban might be one of the best 25 coaches in the country. It's hard to say he's top five given the advantages he has with top tier talent. 

Current offers are Ohio Dominican and Tiffin University. Both DII programs. It looks like NAIA and DIII skipped right over him, recognizing that his talent level is pretty high. 

11 minutes ago, temptation said:

That being said (and another caveat (this report is complete BS)) I’d take Kelly in a heartbeat, lol.

You've made clear your hatred for Kelly on this forum, so I had to ask. I'm taking this report with a grain of salt as well. I hope Harbaugh sticks around. 

2 hours ago, temptation said:

LOL

I know it's just a rumor and hypothetical at this point, but what would that do to your allegiance to the Wolverines? 

Gotta love this:

January 2021 - Marcus Freeman leaves Cincinnati to become defensive coordinator at Notre Dame after LSU thought they reeled him in. 

November 2021 - LSU hires head coach Brian Kelly away from Notre Dame.

December 2021 - Marcus Freeman accepts head coaching position at Notre Dame after LSU's second attempt to reel him in as their defensive coordinator. 

April 2022 - shortly after being fired at LSU, Ed Orgeron spends a week in South Bend sharing coaching insights with newly hired Notre Dame head coach Marcus Freeman.

December 2023 - Notre Dame hires LSU's Mike Denbrock as their new offensive coordinator. 

The rumors are out there. Harbaugh to the NFL, Brian Kelly to the Wolverines? 

7 hours ago, psaboy said:

Congratulations to Uriah Buchanan for winning the Euell Wilson award. That is given out ever year by the Journal Gazette for the outstanding SAC senior football player. The article also mentions per MaxPreps he was the 10th leading rusher last year in Indiana. I wonder if he played most of the games would he be the leading rusher? Not sure what his snap count was, but beating he was in and had his number called approx. 50% of the time. 

I guess you'd have to compare his average per carry to those nine with more rushing yards than him. Either way, he's a darn good running back. He was late to the party being a backup his junior season, but the DII programs are taking notice currently. 

18 minutes ago, whiteshoes said:

They were ranked 97th in 2013 last poll.

Pike was 7-5 in 2013.

2 hours ago, whiteshoes said:

I think you are getting too caught up in the use of the term dynasty.   As it relates to this compilation, it is defined as teams that have appeared in my Top 100 at the end of a particular season.   Now that may not fit your definition of the word dynasty, but I simply use the word for lack of a better one.    However, most it would be hard to argue that most of the teams in the poll have been consistent winners over the period from 2007-2023.

I've been trying to explain that to others this entire thread. And yes, I did take the term 'dynasty' literal. I get that it only relates to your past Top 100's. You have your hands full compiling data from that poll alone. I can't imagine you have time to assess every single team in the nation. I'm presuming Pike made the poll in 2007 along with Carmel?

On 12/24/2023 at 12:34 PM, temptation said:

I like you man but you are acting purposefully dense in this case.

I am all for giving the little guys “love” but this is a national ranking system that is taking results from all 50 states and ranking teams hypothetically so that guys like you and I can debate fictional head to head matchups on a forum to get us to next fall’s first day of practice.

Even the Luers teams with Smith would be hard pressed to crack the national top 100, let alone defeat Indiana’s premier 5A/6A programs and I say that with ZERO disrespect to Luers.

This is all hypothetical of course but it’s pretty cut and dry when it comes to sustained success.  Just because teams like LC and Fishers don’t boast the state championships of Luers and LCC doesn’t mean they aren’t worthy of their ranking here.  Most central Indy 5A/6A sectionals and regionals are loaded so great teams go home early.  Case in point, Brownsburg and Cathedral this past fall.

What does being ranked in the National Top 100 have to do with a dynasty? Not sure how I'm being dense. Whiteshoes is ONLY qualifying teams that have made his Top 100. Calling Fishers, LC, and Pike dynasties is laughable. These ranking are nothing more than a measuring stick for teams that have made the Top 100 in the past. Congratulations on making the Top 100 once, but you've dominated nothing over a period of time. These schools aren't dynasties, not even a little bit. Luers, LCC, Chatard, and Lutheran ARE dynasties because they dominated their respective class. This has nothing to do with Luers ability to beat Fishers in a head to head matchup. It has everything to do with dominating your competition in the class in which you compete. Pike for f**** sake? Am I on candid camera?

2 hours ago, temptation said:

I was referring to travel, more so than competitiveness, though that is a long way just to get your butt kicked.

Longer drive, same result.

90+ minutes one way…hopefully they’d host.

Can we qualify Anderson as an Indy team since I69 is three lanes from Indy to Anderson?

31 minutes ago, temptation said:

Locally, perhaps.  But this is rewarding consistent success at the national level unless I am somehow mistaken.

Fishers, Pike, Reitz, New Pal, Penn, and LC are consistent at the national level? I must be missing something. I understand what he's done. He's using ONLY the national poll, it's just not a good measuring stick for a dynasty. A dynasty can only be measured by a program's dominance in the tournament that they play. For instance: Three or four straight championships. Making the National Top 100 one time in the past 16 years doesn't qualify you as a dynasty. 

When talking dynasties in Indiana, I think you have to start with Warren Central, Luers, LCC, and Center Grove. There are others, those just come to mind first. 

15 minutes ago, temptation said:

You’d expect Indiana small schools to make this list?  Really?

I guess I'm confused as to what a dynasty is. I just don't see Pike or Fishers as dynasties. I see Luers, Lutheran, LCC, and Chatard as dynasties, but that's just me. 

I want to say he started in 2007. And the only teams on the list are teams that made his national Top 100 in the past. That's the only sense I can make of it. There are plenty of teams not on the list who've had better dynasties than the ones who made his list. I noticed a red flag when no small schools were represented. I'm positive this list only consists of teams who've made the National Top 100, dating back to 2007 maybe. 

33 minutes ago, NLCTigerFan07 said:

I am betting they send Harrison to Sectional 1. I feel like there is precedent with sending Lafayette schools to "The Region". If that's the case, I'd see something like this

Sectional 1: Crown Point, Harrison, Lake Central, Portage

Sectional 2: Carroll, Elkhart, Penn, Snider (wow!)

Sectional 3: Fishers, Hamilton Southeastern, Homestead, Northrop

Sectional 4: Carmel, Noblesville, Westfield, Zionsville

A Snider/Penn matchup wouldn't hurt my feelings. Old rivalry renewed. 

The following makes sense to me geographically: 

Sectional 1: Penn, Crown Point, Portage, Lake Central

Sectional 2: Carroll, Snider, Northrop, Elkhart

Sectional 3: Westfield, Noblesville, Harrison, Homestead

Sectional 4: Zionsville, Carmel, Fishers, HSE

26 minutes ago, NLCTigerFan07 said:

Is Mishawaka staying in 5A? In what was shared above, they are showing Mishawka as the 4th largest school in 4A?

My error, Mishawaka is 4A. They should should challenge Northwood for supremacy up north.