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But they'll allow 200 people in a grocery store that would fit inside the Rose Bowl 50 times.

I can say with 100% certainty that Luers wouldn't have 11 state titles without the benefit of playing the larger schools in the SAC. They would have several, but playing the tougher schedule prepares them for the small schools they play come tournament time.

Lol, you have a point. But even then, they didn't necessarily have to go through Indy to get there. Unless you want to debate New Pal being Indy's best team in 2015. Center Grove will argue that............but I think it's debatable.

The Big Ten was lousy this year, no question about it. Was Penn State that bad when IU played them or did their victory send them into a tailspin? What about Wisconsin? The Badgers are a pretty good football team in my opinion. IU managed to beat them even without Penix. And without Penix, I'm expecting a victory over Ole Miss. I think IU's defense is for real. How good is the SEC this year?...........I guess we'll find out in the bowl games. Either way, IU was ranked #7 by the AP and #11 by the committee. They were more deserving of a NY6 game than Iowa State was. It surprises me that the committee didn't feel the same. They certainly deserved to play a ranked team with a winning record. The committee seems hell bent on pitting Power Conferences against one another in the bowls. I thought it was a disservice to put Coastal against Liberty. Give those teams a chance against a Power 5. Now we'll never know if those two teams are legit or not.

IU earned their way to the #7 ranking. They deserved to play a Top 15 opponent. Playing Ole Miss is an insult. Throw the talent stat out the window.

It's an insult. No other way to slice it.

Interesting.

I'm not sure how Iowa State gets in over IU. The #7 team in the country get completely left out of the NY6?

I'll take Clemson over Bama. Trevor Lawrence is the best player in the country by far.

Was it just me or did Notre Dame look like they played the rest of the game deflated after going inside the 30 three possessions in a row and coming away with only 3 points?

Ok Kent Harvey.

So is it "dude" or "chief"? Make up your mind disrespectful young one. I'm not sure if you've ever had any mentors in your life, but someone needs to tell you to quit referring to people in that manor. I will continue to discuss football with you as you seem to have a pretty solid grip on reality when it comes to the sport. Notre Dame should be in the playoff based on principle. Their resume is better than anyone else's. Will Notre Dame get waxed by Alabama? There is a good chance of that happening. The safe bet is to take the NY6 game like you suggest and end on a positive note. I get that and it would probably be the best thing for Notre Dame. But who in the hell wants to see a repeat of Alabama blowing A&M out? If it's not broke, don't fix it. When your team is averaging over 5 yards per carry, there isn't much point in keeping the defense honest when you have an offensive line capable of bullying their opponent. I've been saying that for decades. Say what you want, but Ohio State won't do any better than Notre Dame against Clemson. Take that to the bank and get back to me when it's over.

Do we honestly believe there is a gap between Ohio State and everyone else? I understand that Clemson, Alabama, and Ohio State have almost all of the 5 star football players. But Alabama and Clemson have Nick Saban and Dabo Swinney. I think the Buckeyes fit in nicely with Notre Dame, Texas A&M, and Florida. They don't deserve to be put on a pedestal with the best. Ohio State won't be any more competitive against Clemson than the Irish were last night. So who should Alabama play in the first round? A team they already beat by 4 touchdowns or a team that beat Clemson, beat a very good NC team, and was undefeated before facing arguably the best team in the country in a "revenge" game?

I assumed this thread was to see how SAC teams stacked up against one another. But I agree with every word of your post. Cathedral came up to play Snider less than a decade ago. I think you would be surprised.

I'll take a stab at it. Tier 1 - Any order is possible. 1. Snider - With major D1 guys anchoring the offense and defense, a second year starter at QB, and an impressive RB...........I like Snider's chances at a victory bell and a deep run in 5A. 2. Dwenger - I'm hearing they lose a lot. But they are still Dwenger and they still have Jason Garrett. 3. Homestead - The Spartans had a good two year run, but are they really at the same level as Snider and Dwenger as a program? Three years in a row might convince me. They do seem to have turned the corner after joining the SAC. Tier 2 - Any order is possible 4. Luers - They didn't fair to well against the SAC's 6A big boys the last two years, but they've proved they can rumble with Homestead and Carroll in years past. I like their chances this year with several returning starters. 5. Carroll - They return a Division 1 caliber QB, but is there anything else left in the tank? He lost some phenomenal targets at wideout to graduation and they've never really had much of a defense. I'm not sold on the Chargers yet. 6. Concordia - As long as Tim Mannigel is calling the shots, I'll always give Concordia the benefit of the doubt. Although there is no shame at being ranked #6, I wouldn't be shocked if they finished in the 4 spot at seasons end. 7. Northrop - I keep waiting for that break out year. Maybe I'm giving the Bruins too much credit. I feel like the Doerffler name carries some weight, but we're not seeing the results on the field yet. 8. Wayne - I'm still looking forward to seeing what Haydock can do with this team. Wayne has had some darn good teams in the past and there is no reason the new proven coach shouldn't get them back to a champion caliber level. If there is one pick that I'm wrong on, it's probably this one. Tier 3 - Could go either way 9. South Side - I'm going out on a limb on this one. I really liked the way they ended 2020. 10. North Side - Losing their 3 star QB and head coach Mike Brevard will be too much to overcome.

Chief? That worse than "hey, what's up Knight."

There was a lot of talk about how good they were going into the Notre Dame game. #16 Iowa 18, ISU 17 #7 Baylor 23, ISU 21 #25 Oklahoma St 34, ISU 27 #4 Oklahoma 42, ISU 41 So that's four losses against ranked teams by a combined 11pts. Notre Dame 33, ISU 9. The Irish beat them by 24. That's twice the number of the other four ranked teams combined. So either Notre Dame was really good last year and probably underrated, or ISU was highly overrated playing in an overrated conference. It's one or the other.

The Big 12.............it's an entire conference. ND is just one team. The Big 12 stinks and are overrated every year. Iowa State at #6 is the joke of the year.

Iowa State was great last year, they are great this year. ND 33, ISU 9........................crickets. Lol. You live in Indiana. Notre Dame football, Indiana basketball.

I know your not discriminating against them as a "hater" would. I appreciate your opinions, they are always well thought out. I just think this years ND team is a bit different. If they win this Saturday you'll have to subject yourself to the fans in your "parts." If they get wasted, ND fans around the country will want to bury their heads in the sand and endure another year of "getting embarrased", and "not belonging." I'd even be satisfied with a 14 point loss on Saturday. This is a revenge game for Clemson and they'll be as jacked up for this one as any they have played in over the last decade.

No, IU was playing flustered, then they woke up................8/10

2012 was eight years ago, so anyone with a brain would leave that out of the equation. In 2018 Notre Dame lost to Clemson (supposedly the best team of all time) by the same margin of defeat as Alabama. Not really fair to judge ND what they did in 2018 against the "best team of all time." Funny how no one said anything in 2016 when Ohio State was embarrassed by Clemson. They always get a pass, lol. I get what you are saying.

I'm a little biased toward the Hoosiers, I admit. But I think Alabama, Clemson, and Notre Dame are in a different league right now. Bama and Clemson have explosive offenses while the Irish have an incredible defense. The Buckeyes lose to all three. What about the original purpose of this thread. Your thoughts on Iowa State? They don't have any good wins in my opinion. The Big 12 is weak.

Indiana looked flustered and unprepared for a game of that magnitude. Not a slam on the coaching, it's just that they aren't used to being in a spotlight game like that. Once they got their bearings straight, they pretty much dominated the Buckeyes. Can we agree that IU has a better defense than OSU? That both teams have explosive offenses..........a decent edge going to the Buckeyes? Of course I'm speaking of IU with a healthy Penix. I personally feel like Ohio State is overrated and aren't much better, if at all, than Florida and A&M.

If Notre Dame loses by 10 points to Clemson, their resume is still stronger than anyone else, including Ohio State.