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Hmmmm. Heading over to JH's..............be right back.

I think there are enough good programs up north to prevent a year in and year out situation. Penn, Snider, Valpo, and Merrillville. I'm just saying a good coach could make Elkhart dangerous with those kinds of numbers to work with.

Elkhart could be king of the north if the right coach comes along. Kevin Wright + Elkhart = appearance at state.

In a nutshell, a kid on f/r/l typically has less access to resources than a kid from a wealthier family has.........training, camps, nutrition, etc.

No faith that the panthers can win Sectional 3 next year? I understand that Homestead and Carroll will have good football teams next year. But Snider is still the benchmark of Northeast Indiana. A sectional championship will keep them in 6a.

Way off? That's debatable. There is at least 10-15 programs that could make that same case for their school.

Giving up a full scholarship and choosing to walk on shows enormous confidence. I have a ton of respect for a kid who says, "I'm putting on that Indiana football uniform no matter what the naysayers say." His agility scores scream Indiana State. But there is something special about this kid. I've seen the highlights. I remember thinking Drue Trainquill was crazy for accepting a last minute offer from ND after being committed to Purdue for a long time. He would never see the field competing against ND's abundance of 4-star recruits. We all know how that story ended up. Then the naysayers questioned whether he could compete at the next level. And we all know how THAT story ended up. Stay tuned.

I only weigh public vs public and private vs private. I am of the belief that privates have an advantage, so no sense in comparing them against public schools. If I remember right, most of LLC, Center Grove, and New Pal's success came in the last couple of decades. I believe all three had SOME success before that.

Possibly. There are several others who made appearances in the NFL, but the only ones I mentioned actually played in a game.

I don't think so if we are talking best programs of ALL time. LCC's dominance has come more recently by comparison.

I think the private schools need a Mount Rushmore of their own. Chatard, Cathedral, Luers................Dwenger or Roncalli?

I thought of that. You see it at all levels. When a coach goes from the MAC to the Big Ten. When a coach goes from high school to college. College to pro. Pro to college. In many cases it's a challenge far different from what the coach had faced before. I get it. But going from one high school to another isn't quite the same thing. I understand the "different culture, kids, and competition," and I do think it provides another challenge. But seeing what he's done with a small school of 1200, I have no reason to believe that he wouldn't prosper at a school with 3500. It's probably a moot point, I'm sure he's happy at New Pal.

Snider and Northrop were never combined. Snider was built in 1964, Northrop in 1971. Rod Woodson went to Snider and attended from 1979-1982 (I may be off a year). Snider doesn't have their own field because.............well, I've heard many things. Campus not big enough, not enough parking, drainage issues. I never knew what the real issue was. I know several years ago they had the plans and financing to build their own stadium off campus, but nearby neighbors fought and took it to court. That property now is home to government subsidized housing and IU Health. I mentioned Rod Smith in my earlier post...........he went to Harding and was a top 5 RB coming out of highs school. Drafted by Jim Tressel, misutilized by Urban Meyer.

Look what Ralph did at a school of 1175. Imagine what he would do with 3509. He would be Carmel's worst nightmare.

Agree. They have a program that can succeed given the right coach comes along.

Pound for pound Mount Rushmore................ Snider, New Pal, Center Grove, and Columbus East.

Using the same points. Use a .85 multiplier for the p/p schools and mega-schools. Do we use a 1.15 multiplier for Snider, Center Grove, and Bloomington South since they've had to play a school double their size to win state? Just a thought. If I get positive feedback on this, I will take the time to run the numbers. Even more interesting is what this poll would look like if the success factor and 6a was instilled 30 years ago. Having to pick four teams? Lol, you can be in charge of that one.

True story. Fort Wayne hosted the 1953 NBA All Star Game. Everyone around the league was so impressed, the Boston Celtics were a little nervous about hosting it the following year.

Lol, I can appreciate that. I'm not denying your claims, just wondering what you've seen.

Last I checked he was widely considered the 2nd best linebacker in the NFL. He seems to be everywhere when I watch him. Most game commentators have great things to say about him. Didn't see the game last night. Care to elaborate on that?

How far back do these wins go? I think if we are being fair about evaluating a program, going back to 1973 per JH is the way to go. Many high schools probably weren't even around when Cathedral, Reitz, Sheridan, and Culver were accumulating wins.

Fort Wayne Snider - Rod Woodson, Vaughn Dunbar, Jessie Bates Dwenger - Tyler Eifert, Jason Fabini Luers - Anthony Spencer, Jaylon Smith Harding - Rod Smith, Trai Essex Wayne - Jason Baker South Side - Lamar Smith, Bernard Pollard Carroll - Drue Tranquill Elmhurst - James Hardy Leo - Mike Augustyniac

I didn't take number of wins or winning percentage into account. I'm trying to maintain a life outside of this addicting GID, lol. I also only went back to 1973 per John Harrell's website. I could certainly see giving points for winning percentage. But I think tournament success is a better indicator of a strong program than winning percentage. I don't want to pick on Homestead, but they went undefeated almost every year when they were in the NHC as a result of weak competition. Their season always came to an end in sectionals when they met up with Snider. Then you have the MIC where they beat up on each other in the regular season, therefore bringing down their winning percentage. Anyway, lots of factors to think about....for sure.

Lol, I have a few hours invested in that last one. If anyone wants to add to it, I'd be more than happy to share the numbers with them.

I used a point system (state 10, semi-state 7, regionals 5, sectionals 3) purely based on championships. The schools I considered were all among the leaders in either sectional, regional, semi-state, or state championships.......using JH's website. Top 25 1. Chatard 2. Carmel 3. Luers 4. Cathedral 5. Ben Davis 6. Roncalli 7. Dwenger 8. Penn 9. Sheridan 10. Warren Central 11. Hobart 12. Ritter 13. Snider 14. LCC 15. Jimtown 16. Center Grove 17. Mater Dei 18. Tri-West 19. Northwood Andrean 21. Evansville Memorial 22. West Lafayette 23. Franklin Central 24. Eastbrook 25. East Central Columbus East Adams Central Best of the Rest 28. Bloomington South 29. Scenina 30. Breman New Pal Pioneer 33. Jasper 34. Lowell 35. Heritage Hills 36. Western Boone 37. Lawrenceburg 38. Reitz 39. Linton-Stocton 40. Griffith