Lysander

I didn’t see it but only read about it. I think the most accurate thing to say is that they both are simply on another level than the rest of the state this year.

Better than Westfield by this much, yes. That was a running clock game (as was Carmel a week later). Cathedral was leading CG with a minute to go. People are still arguing here about their decision on 4th down.

Vs New Prairie under Radtke, I think. Ugly beat down.

Totally possible.

Like Scarab, I tend to think CG will call off the dogs as well.

Guessing.....but New Pal.

Does CG usually pass this often? I haven’t watched them much this year.

Hasta manana. The first 2 games tomorrow should be competitive ones.

Seems to be the case.....and not just a “bad” first game. CG is simply a machine.

The 2 year cycle for the purpose of acquiring points ends this year. Only last year counted as regards this cycle.

The Hobart kids played with class in a difficult situation.

Don’t disagree - since CE, NP, Dwenger and Cathedral are still gone. With that, Roncalli is much improved (being ranked in Sag Top 10) and I’d expect EC, Mt. Vernon, Memorial and Mooresville to be as good or better in the South. It’s still not going to be what it was before the SF.

Has to be Roncalli with almost all of that line coming back.

I’ll shed a little tear at least.

Everyone can rest assured either Chatard or Roncalli won’t make it out of Sectional....likely first game.

No running clock in State Championship.

Actually he reminds me a bit of the late Ari Pappas.

14-0 Roncalli

Makes me wonder if the “ineligible downfield” has been a priority this year for officials. I’ve seen more of those called this year than the last 5 years combined.

How cool was that!

Yep.

Yep.

Thanks @Bobref You saved me about an hour of typing and I would have only said it half as well. “Simplicity” implies simple-mindedness to me and an inability to hold more than 1 concept/idea in one’s head at the same time. The “problem” is a lot more nuanced than the solution proffered. The only additional thought I have is that excluding successful Publics from the scenario seems well...to be polite....self-serving. Dare I say hypocritical? Some want all of the benefits with no view toward fairness. Again, I will mention Columbus East and New Pal who have shown they “should” be moved up and have thrived....and seem to have taken pride in their success. Alternately, I’ve noted specifically one or so posters from Southridge this year who have constantly lamented (at almost every instance) that they are 2A in size yet playing in 3A....but the reality of that team making it to the final 4 in 3A makes it clear that the SF ACTUALLY WORKED in the case of Southridge and they are exactly where they belonged this year. Some of the foibles (and a failing) of the SF such as WeBo playing for 3 straight Championships because of how the “cycles” fell is easily fixable per “rolling” cycles. Per my own wishes, I WANT Chatard in 4A (and have said so for MANY years here). But to move everyone else up simply because I want Chatard to move up (or think they should be in 4A) is unfair to all those teams that have no business being moved up. I also like the fact that the opportunity to move up even further than 1 class exists currently via the SF. Its also been mentioned here recently that there is somehow a lack of fervor for the championships this year...because of the P/Ps. First, the only evidence offered is solely anecdotal or simply opinion. Second, just how can any definitive statement be made about this in the year of COVID? Unless things have changed in the last month or so, most sports viewership have been in the tank these last 6 months. Finally, if there truly IS a measurable lack of fervor, just why is it laid at the feet of P/Ps? I thought football was dying in general per some here via their almost gleeful pronouncements as to the health of the game.

I argued this for weeks with Coach Gallogly in 2012 when the SF was announced (largely because I thought the SF wouldn’t result in what Publics wanted) and was a lone (REALLY LONE) voice. I believe @Titan32 recalls me tilting at that windmill. Now, I’m just not so sure. Let’s be honest, this whole debate is really about a couple of schools who have for the last 25 years shown up at LOS about every couple of years or so: Cathedral and Chatard. Then add in LCC (who’s success has been relatively recent but pretty dominant for about 10-12 years) and Dwenger and you just about have your “problem” taken care of. Roncalli used to be one of those “problems” and it looks like they might be again. A multiplier (or automatic “bump” dings about 30 other P/Ps who actually should not be bumped). The SF would likely have worked better if the IHSAA had done 3 things at the time: (1) Originally utilized a 2 point requirement versus a 4 point requirement to stay “up”. (2) Not be so “cute” about always matching Cathedral, Chatard and Roncalli in the same sectional to get them out of the tournament making it almost impossible to get the needed 2 points to stay up. Both Chatard and Roncalli would both likely still be “up” a class if this had not been done. Also not be “cute” about things like the gerrymandered Sectional 28....which permitted the travesty of Sectional 30 - better called the “Danville/TriWest Expressway to Semistate”. It’s hard to believe grown@ss adults do shite like that. (3) Have a “rolling” 2 year points period for the SF. At this point, I think I like the result of the SF. I’d never have likely seen the greatest Championship game in my lifetime (2015 Dwenger/New Pal) without it. Several publics these last 10 years have been every bit as good as those P/Ps mentioned above - Columbus East, New Pal and Pioneer immediately come to mind. One other side note. I disagree with RebelDad when he says that only Cathedral could play up 2 classes. Chatard would likely have run roughshod in 5A pre-SF...as should most anyone. 4A, pre SF, would easily have been the toughest class pound for pound there was the last 10-12 years (Cathedral, New Pal, Columbus East, Reitz, Dwenger, Roncalli...that’s a Murderer’s Row). 5A is “evolution in action” because most of those great 4A teams listed above now reside there. So despite my earlier dislike of the SF, I’ve come around to it because it is a targeted, thoughtful and surgical approach rather than the slapdash “one size fits all” approach of an automatic bump or multiplier.

That would be my guess.