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At least the game result would seem to say that. Good observation Re: COVID. It’s added a whole new degree of unpredictability.

We ate at the Evil Czech post game last year. We probably won’t be making the trip this year but it’s almost worth it just to eat there. Great and fun place.

Give me a few days before I feel like I can safely insert ANY comment or body part into this conversation. Lots of stuff....kind of agree with some on both sides of this. Damn...guess I'm running for office......Hell, I did back in '84.

Its wide open as far as I'm concerned. Chatard's advantage is generally scheduling a Top 20 schedule during the regular season. They will lose some but also know how to play and win against bigger and more talented teams (see Merrillville). At this time of year, those more talented teams have "caught up" and its a legitimate battle in every game...where Chatard used to have an advantage.

Honestly I don’t pay ANY attention to the AP (I consider it the “short bus” poll....can I say that these days post Election?) just a little more credence to Coach’s poll....just a little........very little....very, very little. Unfortunately, SAC and SIAC are outside of any analytics until the first week of playoffs. That’s a problem. Anyone with a lizard’s brain knew both of these teams were well better than those rankings.....and are FAR from shocked to see them in the Final 4.

To be clear, I’m not declaring any team an innocent or a sinner (seems teams have both been both victim and victimizer) as regards this sort of thing.....I’m just saying it shouldn’t be permitted to happen. There should be a default game time of 3:00 pm or later on a Saturday playoff that has been rescheduled from Friday due to prohibitive travel/distance unless BOTH teams agree with an earlier game time. Easy peasy for the IHSAA to do it if folks can’t be sensible themselves.

Maybe.. Back to the game.....Good GAWD is Southridge fast! edit....another TD...

I think your number is maybe accurate IF you include D3 ball. I’m not sure there are 20 players from last year even ATTENDING college, btw. As to the topic at hand, Danville will be next week for one of them. My sense is that both would be slight underdogs to Danville but I certainly wouldn’t put any of my own money on it.

......or DT. edit....I always get a monster kick when I’m tracking something usually pretty obscure along with some others here...adds to the fun.

I was sooooo there with you on that....Harrison Bergeron.

But doesn’t the ability to move freely (financially and otherwise) from one public to another give publics even more added advantage v. paying (however one does it) to go to a private or parochial school? My guess is that schools like Carmel, as well as Center Grove, have benefited from that. Maybe I’m misunderstanding everybody involved in this conversation....

Addition by subtraction? I’ve been on their bandwagon since Chatard played them Game 2.

“CB” issues? What’s yer’ “handle”?

Totally agree. When Chatard had to travel to GS some years back they didn’t make it a Noon game. When both GS and Memorial came up to Indy on Saturdays these were late games (sorry about the crappy weather, though, GS). Teams work too hard to get there for home teams to pull this crap (and I DO think it’s unsportsmanlike.....not that I have any business being the judge). It’s not as if the home team “earned” being home....they’re only at home because of a ping pong ball.

I’m just looking for a truthful answer.

I have very much thought this all year....all due respect to Coach K.

Some years back, Coach Gallogly (good guy) and I spent some time debating after the initiation of the Success Factor. I, frankly, took the position that we should just bump every P/P up a class and be done with it because we would end up having the same arguments in 5-6 years anyway. With all that, I kind of think the Success Factor is working. I actually enjoy seeing what the Success Factor has generated in the way of matchups (admittedly, my enjoyment as a fan is irrelevant). Still, I don’t think it’s fair to the classes that follow the successful classes ahead of them. Insofar as publics go, Columbus East and New Pal were able to sustain that success through several multiple student classes but eventually it will catch up with you and one group of kids is going to find themselves well beyond their ability to enjoy playoff success.....and that bothers me more than a little. To an extent, I’m not sure this discussion is even happening now if Cathedral was not having a possibly historically great team this year...maybe next year as well. Nonetheless, I’ve been pretty open about saying I’ve wanted Chatard to play in 4A for years....at least before it was hollowed out. For now, though, I am thinking the Success Factor comes closest to fairness...particularly with some of the point adjustments to staying up. But I’m not so sure the automatic class bump is fair for everyone else....I sure as heck don’t think a 2.0 multiplier is.

Thanks for raising that. I was tempted to earlier. It’s painting with too broad a brush to think all the P/Ps are alike or are governed by even vaguely similar rules. Even then, I can’t speak to understanding the nuances of how P/Ps operate in cities outside of the Indy Archdiocese.....those differences matter, though.

If true and home teams are allowed to pull this crap regarding naming these early start times for Saturday games, then the IHSAA needs to intervene. It’s total BS. None of these long distance Saturday games should ever be before 3:00 unless both schools agree. It should already be enough that the home team is...well.....at home. Makes me think this whole neutral site thing for Regionals and Semistates might be the way to go.

20? You make Chatard sound like Merrillville.

Me either. I am a bit shocked at that. Even though I might personally think it quite possible, I don’t think any analytics directly back it and it just seems inconsistent with Harrell’s usually somewhat conservative estimates.

“Technically” 3 Circle City Conference Schools are playing in Semistate: Covenant Christian (1A); Chatard (3A) and Roncalli 4A). Heritage Christian (2A) fell a little short vs the WeBo juggernaut. Congrats to them.

I kept looking for him all night. I’m not big on “what if’s” but I’m not sure Chatard would have pulled it off had he been on the field given as well as the Cadets played last night. Outside of the loss to Cathedral, last night’s game was clearly the toughest game that Chatard has played so far this year. It’s hard to give the Cadets enough credit. That game could have fallen either way. As was said earlier, my sense is that Chatard’s depth and that late 4th Quarter punt to the 1 yard line sealed it. BTW - Chatard is now officially in 4A.

I think we both know that DT believes the things he writes just as often as crocodiles shed actual heartfelt tears. The idea that we can project any long term effect on Indiana HS football/sports based on the pandemic is more than ludicrous. We can’t possibly know if or what it might be.....even if it will be any more than a temporary effect at all. The further supposition that the 2.0 multiplier is somehow a “cure” for this “kind of/maybe/potentially” possible pandemic based long term effect on HS sports is insane. It is, quite literally, snake oil. The worst part of his whole premise is that it’s insincere.

Pioneer - Andrean never happened either, apparently.