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Whiteland had a decent resume, but lost by double digits to the the only team that had a semblance of the skill position players Cathedral had. Whiteland attempted three forward passes the entire game and the only one completed was to the other team. Recipe for disaster.

So how is that not an advantage to public’s? If I live in IPS and have an 8th grader that is really good, I can either a) send him to one of the many surrounding township schools that have good football programs or pony up and send him to Cathedral or Chatard. One’s free and one cost money. Who holds the advantage?

Nearly 2/3’s of Cathedral’s enrollment is on some kind of financial aid and I’m guessing that’s on the low end in comparison to other P/P’s statewide. Plenty of single parent kids going to P/P’s. Open enrollment allows you to attend any public school you want. Before, you attended your local high school or paid to go to a private school. Open enrollment ended that ideology.

Only rich kids go to P/P’s? Wouldn’t that then be an even bigger advantage to public schools?

Valpo? Good team but Cathedral is 3-4 TDs better in my opinion.

Open enrollment has ended the discussion about “borders” and that was almost 10 years ago.

Mooresville beat Decatur and Roncalli is better than both Whiteland and Decatur. East Central or Mooresville (not sure how semi-state would look as Cathedral would shake up alignment) both better than Castle. No argument on 4A north however but not sure it really matters who Cathedral plays in Zionsville or Dwenger. 4A would be tons more competitive if the SF didn’t exists as some of the best teams in 5A are 4A by enrollment.

This year? I don’t agree. Path of Roncalli/Mt Vernon (sectional), Mooresville (regional), East Central (semi-state) is just as hard, if not harder, than Cathrdral’s 5A path.

So is it the success factor or the Cathedral factor? You can’t have it both ways. It would have been disappointing as a fan to watch Cathedral play in the 4A tournament this year although I don’t think there’s a huge difference at the top of 4A and 5A this year once you take Cathedral out of the equation. But it’s not an arbitrary rule on a case by case basis, it must remain the same for everyone.

All P/P’s aren’t Chatard or Cathedral, not even close. Saying Park Tudor or Bishop Noll should play up a class because Cathedral and Chatard punch above their weight is ludicrous. It’s why the success factor, and not a multiplier or auto 1 class bump, exists.

How about actually played at Delta High School before ending up at New Pal? It doesn’t matter though. Someone from New Pal of all people should know it’s the way you put your pads on that determines success.

And I can name 20 kids who went through the CYO feeder system, only to play at their public high school. It’s a two-way street. There will NEVER be a multiplier in the IHSAA (we can’t even seed the sectionals) and the success factor isn’t limited to P/P’s. You of all people again should know that.

Exactly. It has nothing to do with enrollment and everything to do with building and maintaining a successful program, starting with the feeder systems. As a fan of New Pal, you of all people should know this.

I don’t have a problem with the success factor. But operates under a different set of rules? Are you telling me P/P’s turn down as many kids as they accept? Hence the reason for a 2.0 multiplier? Roncalli operates under such a different set of rules they only have 1200 kids and not 2400 kids? Genuinely trying to see your point of view. Mount Vernon didn’t lose to Roncalli last night because of who Roncalli accepts and doesn’t accept. I’ll tell you that much right now. Silly to suggest otherwise.

You do realize that there are many p/p’s in inner-cities and blue collar parts of town who are feeling the same effects of their public counterparts? Cathedral, Roncalli, and Chatard make up a fraction of the Indiana P/P’s and have all been dominant football programs well before the arrival of COVID. Don’t be so dense.

This hegemony talk is 5-6 years in the making, have to realize that. Cathedral is going for its first state title in 6 years and you better believe the drubbings Cathedral took at the hands of public’s 2 of the last 3 years were conveniently forgotten.

Has there once ever been serious talks of a multiplier passing legislation, let alone a multiplier that artificially doubles a schools enrollment? To answer your question, yes Cathedral and Roncalli would accept as they are one of the few schools who could survive it. But the IHSAA would get sued to the high heavens by everybody else that in turn makes a multiplier nothing but a fantasy.

That's not what I'm saying at all. But enrollment numbers mean nothing when classifying a private school How many people do you think Roncalli is turning down a year? Serious question. With as much negative attention as Roncalli has gotten not just in the local, but national media the last year and a half, they aren’t in any position to turn somebody down. Isn’t MV’s starting QB or WR from Chicago? Who transferred in this year? MV didn’t have the option to decline his enrollment? It’s a two way street.

No internal rift. Cathedral’s already played a two year cycle of 6A football. Cathedral is ALWAYS going to play where the IHSAA mandates. Simply as that. Whether it be 5A or 6A due to the success factor or back to their original enrollment class in 4A, Cathedral is going to play where the IHSAA slots them to play and there really isn’t any more that needs to be discussed.

And you’re delusional if you think Roncalli is somehow calling their enrollment to remain in 4A.

It’s the only fair and logical way to classify teams. If your team has enough success in its enrollment-based classification, you move up. It’s not really a hard concept. Most people would agree that there is a six year old or two good enough to compete and occasional beat a 10 year old in a game of basketball. Most people would also agree that 10 year olds playing other 10 year olds, makes a lot more common sense than vice versa. On the rare occasion the 6 year old is good enough, he plays up (success factor). You think Mt. Vernon’s socioeconomic demographics are that much, if any, different than Roncalli?

Streiff didn’t walk away from anything. He’s the current AD at Cathedral.

What’s positive about telling a school of 1200 kids that they have to play in a tournament with schools that have 3000-5000 kids?

Clearly wasn’t an issue for the last three public schools that knocked Cathedral out of the tournament.

Huh? The multiplier doubles their enrollment forcing them to play two classes up. What are you talking about?