Footballking16

Lawrence’s on-field presence probably alters ND’s game plan to a degree. From the first snap, ND was committed to stacking the box and shutting down Etienne while forcing the freshman to beat them over the top. And while he threw for a ton of yards, I’m guessing ND isn’t going to do that with Lawrence in the game. Still, a hell of a win for the Irish. Gutsy performance till the very end.

The Big Ten just needs to worry about getting a team in the playoffs. And outside the inaugural year in which Ohio State won it all, it’s not like the B10 has fared any better. Michigan State was blanked in 2016. Ohio State was blanked in 2017. Big Ten didn’t have a team in 18 or 19. And Ohio State choked last year.

Nebraska had been fading since the late 90s. Eric Crouch and Co was their last good team and they got smoked in the 2000 national title game. Oklahoma is in the next tier of teams behind Clemson/Alabama/OSU. It’s those three and everybody else. Oklahoma I’m my opinion is the best of the rest.

I’m not talking about individual seasons. I’m talking about program status. To say Oklahoma isn’t an elite program is preposterous. They’ve consistently been one of the best programs in the country the last 15-20 years. They’ve won 10+ games 17 times since the start of the century. By far and away tops in the country in that regard.

Elite takes on more than year ya know? The last 10-15 years without a doubt elite.

? Oklahoma is a perennial CFB participator and would be the second best team in the B10 behind Ohio State, no questions asked. Saying Oklahoma isn't great or elite is flat out preposterous. Texas has the most resources out of any athletic department in the country and COVID isn't changing that.

I've heard from both Martin brothers, whom I grew up with, that Notre Dame wouldn't touch Urban with a 10 foot pole. Wayyyy too much baggage.

Texas and USC aren't as good as they used to be (currently) because their respective athletic departments keep making bad hire after bad hire compounding the issue. But the USC and Texas job in of itself are top 5 jobs in college football along with OSU, Oklahoma, and LSU. There was a 10-15 year period from the Mid-90's up until Alabama hired Saban where the Crimson Tide sunk into heavy mediocrity due to several consecutive bad hires. Saban righted that ship overnight. The right person at Texas and/or USC has either program right in the thick of things almost overnight.

This ^^^ DT continually fails to see or completely ignores the recruiting pipeline into USC and Texas has been halted due to coaching athletic department incompetence. It's not like Texas and and Southern California stopped playing high school football, recruits just stopped going to those schools because of the current coaching climates. Urban Meyer fixes that instantly and then some. It's easier to recruit at Texas and USC than it is at Michigan naturally, hire one of the best college football coaches of all-time and it becomes cake.

Harbaugh is: 0-5 against Ohio State 3-3 against Michigan State 3-2 against Penn State 1-4 in bowl games Ohio State is just a small part of Harbaugh's problem

Michigan can't even beat Michigan State with any kind of regularity, Harbaugh included. What are you talking about? Only once has Michigan finished better than 3rd in their own division since Harbaugh has taken over. Penn State, Michigan State, and Ohio State have all won the B10 in said time frame. It's still a big job considering their namesake and tradition, but it's not the ticking timebomb that is USC and Texas.

When was the last time Michigan was relevant? A lot longer than USC and Texas. Texas still recruits at an extremely high level but Tom Herman is in way over his head. USC got hammered with NCAA probations and hired coordinators in Kiffin/Sark/Helton with their next 3 hires which has proven to be a disaster. What LA kid is going to want to play for Clay Helton? USC is a good hire away from immediately returning to the top of the college football hierarchy. Notre Dame has landed exactly one 5* in their last 5 recruiting classes, a TE from Kentucky.

*Big game for Notre Dame. Clemson's talent level is 2-3 scores better than ND and ND's record in "big games" this century speaks for itself. Game will be interesting to say the least with Lawrence out.

He can do that at USC and Texas. Meyer isn't out-recruiting Saban, Dabo, and Smart for Southeast recruits (at Michigan) and not out-recruiting Day at Ohio State. However, if he goes to USC or Texas, he can put a stranglehold on the Southern California/Texas market while still being able to recruit the Midwest. What Midwest kid wouldn't want to go to Los Angeles or Austin giving the coaching staff is the right fit?

Outside Ohio State and Alabama and maybe Oklahoma, there isn't a better college football program than USC. USC is a blue blood college football program, the last 10 years doesn't change that. Texas may not have the historical accolades of Michigan, but in the last 50 years is entirely more relevant than Michigan. It's the most resourceful college program in the country.

Well both jobs technically haven't been open since he's been available. Can say with 99.9% certainty that Urban won't even get a call from Michigan when/if the job becomes open and can say with 100% conviction Urban will NEVER coach at Michigan.

What big games does Michigan play lol? They no longer play ND every year and its a 40 point loss every year to Ohio State. If the ND-USC rivalry has lost most of its luster, what do you call the OSU-UM game? I'd argue Clemson doesn't play a single big game playing in the ACC, but that doesn't stop them from being one of the best college football programs in the country. Urban at Texas or USC immediately makes those schools national title contenders. The big games will the come in the form of the college football playoff.

That speaks to the ineptitude of the coaching culture in the PAC12 especially at SC. Guarantee you with a namesake like Urban, Trojans are recruiting above and beyond everybody else. It was too long ago when USC was the most dominant program in college football under Pete Carroll. Those teams were chalked full of Southern California talent and in fact, didn't need to look elsewhere. The football talent in California (especially LA) still exists and is ripe for the taking. Urban Meyer solves this problem overnight.

Those jobs aren't what they used to be because those programs made several bad decisions that have lead them to where they are now. Clay Helton and Tom Herman aren't on the same stratosphere as Urban Meyer. Los Angeles is the single best recruiting hot bed in the country and Texas high school football as a whole speaks for itself. If you're an LA kid would you want to play for Clay Helton or go east? Put a coach like Urban Meyer into the equation its a no-brainer.

That's because Urban Meyer isn't coaching USC, Texas, or Oklahoma.

I don't see Urban as an NFL coach. I don't think his offense translates to that level. I see one of 3 things happening in regards to Urban's future. 1) staying on as an analyst with Fox. His health problems are noted and he doesn't need any more money 2) Taking the job at Texas or USC. Herman bought himself another game with Saturday's win but will be gone here by the end of the year. This makes most sense out of the two, but either USC or Texas would be back to national title contenders sooner than later. 3) Hired back on at Ohio State. Ryan Day is quickly becoming a hot NFL commodity. Re-hiring Urban becomes a no brainer.

Michigan has 1 national title since 1948. Texas and USC are both sleeping giants strictly based on their proximity to recruiting hot beds. Michigan is still a good job but not near the job of Texas or USC. Saturday, Urban wouldn't even say Michigan's name on the Fox half time report. He hates Michigan as much as Michigan hates him. Urban wouldn't go to Michigan strictly on principle.

It’s not though.

Meyer is going to Texas or USC. No chance he entertains the Michigan job just as Michigan has no interest.

Is it though? I know you love your recruiting rankings and to date Iowa has a top 25 class and only one de-commitment. Not saying their isn't a toxic environment at Iowa (because I'm not around the program) but get a feeling it may be overblown to a degree.