Footballking16

How do you go by regulating or enforcing that? There's only 8 sectional winners in each class. So the ~56 teams in 1A-4A who don't win their sectional get regulated? Where are you going to put all these teams?

An 8th grader that goes to one school for 8th grade and then attends a high school in a different district isn't considered a transfer. It's considered a "transfer" when a student currently enrolled in one high school, transfers to another high school. The IHSAA has no jurisdiction over open enrollment. It's a state legislation. DOE has ruled that anybody can choose the high school of their choice, so long they can provide transportation among other things.

Shouldn't be able too, but the IHSAA in a lot of cases (especially when you transfer back to your original district) tends to look the other way. There were a couple Trudeau brothers (father Jack former Colts player) who started out at Zionsville, transferred to Pike and then believe one of them transferred back to Zionsville. Don't think they had sit out a year.

The success factor offsets that lol. If you have success you're bumped up a class. The IHSAA isn't designed to crown a champion for the best 64 teams in the state and then a second champion for the next 64 best teams and so on and so on. It's designed to crown a champion for like sized schools. If you happen to have continued success, you're bumped up. Don't overthink this.

No it's not

But it completely disproves your argument that public schools play by the same rules. They don't. The multiplier doesn't combat competitive balance, the success factor does because it actually "punishes" the programs who are successful. There's no sense in upping Hammond Noll or Park Turdor's enrollment by 1.5 because Cathedral has a good football team. They aren't the same. The success factor already takes care of that. And the multiplier would cap enrollments. There is an argument that Cathedral should be playing in 6A every year and because of the success factor, it's already happened. That would never have been the case under a multiplier.

Exactly. I'm a frequent reader of Yappi over in Ohio and their site is like this the last 4 or 5 weeks. It just a much more exciting product because there is much more on the line when talking about the regular season. They think I'm nuts whenever I bring up the fact that Indiana has an all-in. Then I half have the heart to tell them it's not only an all-in, it's a blind draw. They can't get over it.

That's if the tournament started today. Remember under my proposal the regular season would be extended an additional week. Currently East and North sit 17th and 18th respectively in Calpreps. Very really chance they could still play their way in or move up if some teams lost in front of them. This is what I mean by adding real value to the regular season. These last 2 weeks for schools like East and North and then schools like Snider and Southport who are clinging on life support would be like playoff atmospheres. It enhances the regular season tenfold.

Don't worry, they actually have at least 2 more opportunities to get that elusive first win.

I just think it makes for a much stronger and more competitive tournament, especially in 6A. It's no secret that in most years the best teams in 6A are in Indy and because of the current format, you see de-facto state titles in the early rounds. Here is what 6A would like like under my proposed qualifier system if the tournament were to start tomorrow. (Using Calpreps to factor in out of state competition) Avon Brownsburg Fishers (*) Homestead (*) Lafayette Jeff (*) Westfield (*) North Central Carmel (*) HSE (*) Warren Ben Davis Center Grove Franklin Central Merrillville (*) Southport Snider (*) The 8 most Northern teams would make up the top half of the bracket (*). Matchup's would be North #8 Snider @ # 1Fishers #5 Carmel @ #4 Westfield #6 HSE @ #3 Lafayette Jefferson #7 Merrillville @ #2 Homestead South #8 Southport @ #1 Avon #5 Ben Davis @ #4 Warren #6 Center Grove @ #3 North Central #7 Franklin Central @ #2 Brownsburg I don't see how anyone could argue with those match-ups and the competitiveness throughout the entire tournament.

I wasn't around for it, but from my father and uncles who all played in that era, many deserving teams were left out. It ultimately crowned a champion just like the all-in but because good teams were left out it became a pretty watered down tournament similar to the blind draw where some of the best teams knock each other out in the first few rounds.

There's a huge gap between the old cluster system and today's all-in. The old cluster system only included a small percentage of schools and you had to win your cluster to get in and it left out many good and/or deserving teams. It would be like saying only the winner of the MIC made it to the playoffs even though in any given year there's 6 or 7 MIC teams that deserve to get in. If the IHSAA were to move to a qualifier today you would have to think inclusion would have to be at least 50% of an entire class and the qualification system would use a rating system, not W-L record. The IHSAA compounded and already bad system to an even worse system by going to the all-in, they went to the complete opposite end of the spectrum to appease the masses.

They weren't "transfers". They just exercised their right to open enrollment and decided to attend a public school outside their district.

I actually prefer something like CalPreps because it factors in out of state opponents (to my knowledge Sagarin does not). When you get to the bigger classes I don't think it's as big of a deal as you think. For 5A and 6A you really would only have a sectional final and a regional final which the highest seed would host. Semi-state would be a neutral site and and finals obviously in Indy. Looking at 6A this year, let's use CalPreps as it factors in out of state competition. If the tournament started tomorrow, these would be the 16 qualifies teams Avon Brownsburg Fishers (*) Homestead (*) Lafayette Jeff (*) Westfield (*) North Central Carmel (*) HSE (*) Warren Ben Davis Center Grove Franklin Central Merrillville (*) Southport Snider (*) The 8 most Northern teams would make up the top half of the bracket (*). Matchup's would be #8 Snider @ # 1Fishers #5 Carmel @ #4 Westfield #6 HSE @ #3 Lafayette Jefferson #7 Merrillville @ #2 Homestead I don't think overall travel in that scenario is too egregious and certainly makes for a much more exciting and competitive tournament.

One of the most high profile players in the history of Indiana played out of district. Hunter Johnson was an Avon kid who didn't want to play behind Brandon Peters at Avon so he went to Brownsburg. His brother was playing at Avon while he was playing at Brownsburg. I use this as an example because because he is the highest profile player to do so, but you're naive to the fullest extent if you don't think public school kids are jumping districts for athletic purposes.

? You just made an argument that public schools all play by the same rules without knowing there has been open enrollment in every Indiana school district for the last decade. How does that not change things? I will assure you that parents and students are choosing public schools from outside their current district for the sole purpose of athletics? How does that not level the playing field? Not every P/P is an athletic juggernaut and you would be penalizing schools that already struggle in their current classification. The success factor is suffice.

Done. Thanks for all you guys do at the GID to keep things running.

So does that completely change your stance?

In my opinion, seeding and the all-in simply isn’t compatible, even if you were to seed the top 2 teams In its current format, the IHSAA can justify unnecessary postseason blowouts citing a “blind draw” as the reason. On average in any given year statewide, I would say there’s one dominant team (sometimes 2) and maybe another team or two that would at least be “competitive”. You separate the top two teams until the sectional final by seeding them, the IHSAA is going to have to answer to unnecessary blowouts in rounds 1 and 2. The only logical solution would then be to go to a qualifying format or back the fundamentally flawed format of an all-in, blind draw.

Ya but does he have wings as well?

Football, an outdoor sport. I'm sure both Chatard and West Lafayette would like to see each other in adverse conditions. Slows down each teams offensive attack.

I've seen firsthand the difference between playing a game where playoff implications are on the line. In 2007 on our senior night, we played Cincinnati Moeller. We were 7-1 and our sectional draw had already been released. We were playing a .500 Moeller team who was in with a win, out with a loss. We didn't game plan any differently or do anything out of normal the week leading up to the game, but our sense of urgency simply didn't match that of Moeller's. All the seniors played in a game that we eventually lost, while Moeller pulled out all the stops; trick plays, going for it for 4th down on certain parts of the field that you would never do so, etc. It's a game they could ill-afford to lose and a game for us that had zero postseason implications.

I have another suggestion: DON'T READ THE THREAD. This is the second time today you've voluntarily read and even chose to reply in a thread you've voiced your disdain for.

Yes. Eliminate half the field after the conclusion of a 10 week regular season. Take the 16 northern most teams and 16 southern most teams in 1A-4A ( 8 teams for 5A-6A) and seed them 1-16 or 1-8. High seed hosts sectional and regional, semi-state neutral site, championships played at LOS Thanksgiving weekend. In some cases, sure, but there's already lengthy travel in some sectionals as well as regionals. Wouldn't have to travel all the way for a semi-state game + you already cut out a round. I think it evens itself out. I think a team that has generally earned their way to this post season would generate more excitement from the fan base don't you? I can assure you there aren't poor attendance in the later rounds of every other state that has figured out a qualification system. Probably not, still doesn't mean they shouldn't be discussed, especially when the current format sucks. It took forever to push for alcohol sales on Sunday in the state of Indiana and legalization of marijuana and sports gambling on a federal level. Just a matter of gaining enough traction. The GID is the perfect place for that. Sorry for wasting your time on a thread that you voluntarily not only chose to read but reply too.

I'd like to see both teams seeded appropriate to their regular season success. This is a game that at a minimum should be played at the regional level, if not semi-state or the state finals.