Footballking16

Dense does have a way of standing out.

Imagine still not understanding what “pound for pound” means after having it explained 3 different times by 3 different people, only to continue to use it inaccurately. Bravo.

LOL. I'm not trying to create anything. I simply gave an opinion. Nowhere did I ever call Chatard to be a champion of anything mythical, simply gave an opinion that I though they were the best team in the state pund for pound. You clearly don't get the usage or terminology and you're attributing it to mean something that it doesn't.

That literally has nothing to do with a single thing I’ve said in this thread??? Are you moving the goal posts now?

I’m not the one speaking in absolutes, you are. You said you’ve “NEVER” heard a kid cite too many numbers as a reason why they don’t play football. If that’s your stance then you have no other choice than to believe the 77 kids on Avon’s roster or the 120 kids on Ben Davis’ roster are the best available football players in the school. But you’ll never say that because you know it’s not true. There are plenty of kids at schools like Ben Davis or Warren or Carmel who are good enough to play varsity at just about any other school in the state that don’t and that’s because they’ll never see the field because there’s still 4 or 5 other guys better at their position. That’s the problem created when you have three and four thousand kids in a school. I know for a fact that for years the best football players at North Central didn’t come out for the team. I know it was a big problem at LN as well for the longest time.

I’m a Cathedral backer giving credit where credit is due. How did I move the goalposts? I stated an opinion that I believe kids are discouraged to come out for football or quit altogether before they see it through because of the sheer numbers at these 3,000+ school enrollments. I planted the goal posts here. You don’t have to agree with me, but stop suggesting I’m switching the narrative.

So you're telling me that 77 players on Avon's roster are the best 77 football players in a school of 3,000? I say no chance. We can agree to disagree.

I'm strictly speaking to numbers. Avon has ~3,000 kids in their school. Assuming it's a 50/50 split male v female, that's 1500 boys in the school. Compare that to Chatard and their 700 students (350 boys in a 50/50 split). Both teams may have 80 players on their roster, but if you're choosing 80 kids from a pool of 350 kids while another team is choosing 80 kids from a pool of 1500, the latter is going to be bigger/faster/strong up and down the roster, especially towards the end of the roster. I don't think Avon's top 10 players are night and day better than the top 10 players from Chatard, but 11-22? And then 23-80? Absolutely. They have a ton more to choose from. It's simply a numbers game. Roughly 23% of Chatard's male enrollment makes up their varsity roster of 80 players. 23% of Avon's male enrollment is 345. It's not feasible to have 345 players on a football roster. There are kids at Avon, Brownsburg, at any 6A who are discouraged from playing due to sheer numbers. It's simply a numbers game.

Pains me to do it but I think you guys have a great team and probably were the better team even in defeat a few weeks ago. Outside a blown coverage on 3rd and 22 that resulted in an 88 yard TD pass and then another long run late to seal the game (2 plays accounted for more than half of Cathedral's output for the game), you guys dominated the LOS despite being outweighed 40-50 lbs a man. Was the only time this year I've seen Cathedral struggle to move the ball and that's with playing X and Elder on the road where the Irish moved the ball at will.

I don't think roster size is always the best indication. It's no secret that there is more participation in a P/P setting, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything in terms of talent or depth. Avon may have 2 less kids than Chatard but Avon has 4x the enrollment. The bigger the school, the more the competition there is and subsequently less available playing time and that leads to fewer participation. I have no doubt that schools like Avon, Warren, Carmel, etc could field 2 very competitive varsity teams if they so wanted to.

TD- You obviously know I respect your opinion and the CG football program, but it wasn’t long ago that Cathedral had guys like Markese Stepp, Emil Ekiyor, Ben Stewart, and Pete Werner all hurt simultaneously and throughout the course of the year when you claimed, “you are what your record says you”. Now do I think CG is better then the 1-4 record next to their name? Sure. But at some point injuries are what they are.

Trust me, just a biased opinion. But I’ve been more impressed with Cathedral’s balance and ability to move the ball against a much, much tougher schedule than New Pal. I just watched Cathedral score times 4 times from 50+ yards against one of the better teams in the nation in St. Xavier.

Yes I believe Chatard is the best team in 3A as well as the best pound for pound team in the state. They don’t mean the same thing.

Certainly within your opinion but again that doesn’t quantify “pound for pound”, I don’t think you get what that means. 80% of those schools have 3-4x the enrollment of Chatard and I too would expect them to beat Chatard more times than not. But relative to Chatard’s enrollment, I think they are “pound for pound” the best team in the state.

I don’t think there’s “quite a few teams” whose best 11 are better than Chatard’s best 11. I do think there are a handful of teams who have better 12-30’s and that’s where football games are won and lost (see my comments about depth above). That’s not what that means but ok.

No there’s no formula. It’s an old boxing expression. Someone like Floyd Mayweather is widely considered to be one the best “pound for pound” fighters of all-time. But as 155 lb boxer he would get whooped by any below average heavyweight and rightfully so.

And I’ll say this, I think Chatard is pound for pound the best team in the state. They may not have the speed/depth to compete in 6A, but they are a very good football team. After watching Cathedral do whatever they wanted offensively against X and Elder, Chatard easily was the best defense I’ve seen this year and I consider Cathedral to have the most explosive offense in the state.

Not sure I can complain with this list although as a tad biased, I would flop Cathedral and Brownsburg if anything given each teams performance against St. X.

Tough to question coaching/playcalling when you rack up nearly 600 yards of total offense but man there was some puzzling decisions last night. Cathedral had the ball inside the X 5 yard line near the end of the first half up 7 and threw a terrible INT or otherwise could have really blown the game open. Cathedral came out quick in the 2H and pushed the lead up to 14 but X responded very quickly and tied the game. From there, it felt like Cathedral panicked and tried to hit the home run ball on every play instead of what was working earlier. Have to credit X though in a game like this. They got punched in the mouth early and never flinched. That’s a sign of a well-coached, good football team.

Cathedral put up a fight but ultimately fell short 41-37. Cathedral jumped out to a 14-3 lead and lead 31-17 early in the third. X then scored 24 unanswered. Cathedral put up nearly 600 yards of total offense but it wasn’t enough.

Is he a Junior or Senior? Either way, he's been thee forever it feels like

I never said anything about 51 wins. I was responding to the comment that stated the NIC does nothing to prepare Penn for a postseason run (they've been to two state titles in 5 years and it has affected them beating Carmel twice in that span) and they are getting thumped regularly in non-conference games. They have a winning non-conference record going back years with the exception of this year. It's why I said it's entirely ridiculous to use such a small sample size to start talking about the demise of the Penn Football program. Ben Davis did that to everybody in 2017. They beat Center grove 40-7. Beat Warren 45-16. Beat Fishers 50-7. Beat Avon 57-20. Penn could have played an NFL regular season schedule and still not have been prepared for Ben Davis, that's how good they were that year.

Excuse me..."getting thumped regularly in non-conference games" was actually the direct quote.

What does Geography have to do with Penn going 2-2 vs Carmel the last 5 years? I responded to a post that says Penn is routinely losing it's non-conference games (they aren't) and that their conference slate doesn't prepare them for a deep tournament run (they've been to state twice the last 5 years and have beaten Carmel twice). Penn is 3-1 against perennial contender Orchard Lake St. Mary's (MI) and 3-1 against perennial contender Birmingham Brother Rice (MI) all in the last 5 years. Penn has dominated Valpo the better part of this decade, they aren't "routinely losing their non-conference games". They aren't off to a good start this year, but it's an extremely small sample size to proclaim this is the beginning of the end for Penn, especially when their D1 caliber QB is sidelined with an injury.

Huh? Haven't they played for the state championship twice in the last 5 years? Aren't they 2-2 against Carmel in that stretch? Think you're extrapolating a very small sample size.