Footballking16

4 minutes ago, DT said:

Wonder what the Coach himself would have to say about that.  

Not to put words in Coach Radtke's mouth, but I'd have to imagine beating a 3-4 team in a rebuilding/injury-filled year doesn't rank anywhere near winning a state title or the numerous sectional and regional finals he has collected over the years.

1 hour ago, Duke of Denham said:

North Judson over Jimtown in 1986 was a big deal.  Griffith over Lowell or Hobart in some of those matchups in the 90's.  Beating Penn is a big deal any time it happens.  

Beating Penn regardless of the current state of their program is always a big deal.

Is it the biggest win of Russ Radtke's career? Not a chance.

16 minutes ago, DT said:

Appears as if the Penn program has lost all respect here on The Forum.

A loss to a 4A school with 2000 fewer students is taken as a normal event.

Surprising

 

Thinks there's a wide gap between "normal event" and "biggest win ever" considering Radtke has won 300+ games and been to multiple state finals. It doesn't have to be one or the other in this scenario. 

8 minutes ago, DT said:

Little New Prairie jumps up to the Big School division in The NIC and knocks off Mighty Penn 21-7 after losing to the Kingsmen 35-7 last year in their first ever meeting.

Is this win bigger for Radtke than his state championship at Griffith in 1997?

The Cougars are 7-0 and rolling towards a conference championship and a potential deep run in the 4A playoffs.

Penn is 3-4 with tough conference games remaining with Elkhart Central and rival Mishawaka.

 

 

No

38 minutes ago, Temptation said:

Now I do “disrespect” a couple of Irish posters on here because they’ve done nothing to earn it.

8 minutes ago, gahoosierfan said:

Arlington doesn't seem to have as much parking as Cathedral. Do fans park at the Devington Plaza shopping center?

Yes they do

1 hour ago, Temptation said:

Changing my 6A pick based on information obtained that is not allowed to serve as "breaking news" on here (which I completely understand, I'm just being a jerk).

Just not sure WHO I am changing it to yet...

11 minutes ago, gahoosierfan said:

I have never visited the Cathedral campus. However, looking at it on Google Earth it looks like they have an artificial turf covered football field. It also appears that there is about 150' of woods to the north of the field separating it from the Retreat House. Wouldn't there be plenty of room to build seating there? Just asking.

That's a huge ravine back there and don't believe Cathedral owns that property, Fatima does. There's also a neighborhood to the East that has an ordinance preventing lights from going up. Even if all that was in Cathedral's control and they could construct a stadium, parking would be a nightmare. Cathedral doesn't have enough parking as is for the students and faculty.

1 hour ago, IndplsCathedral_Dad said:

Thank you sir!

👍

1 hour ago, IndplsCathedral_Dad said:

@PHJIrish was I correct in the location being on 16th St across from Bush Stadium?

You are correct

15 minutes ago, Temptation said:

I was very clear and concise in stating that kids would much rather sport the jersey to school on Friday and say they are "on the football team" than go out for another sport.

It's not rocket science my friend...

Now go back to your virtual reality that IS Cathedral.

lol

3 minutes ago, Temptation said:

Oh, they "come out" but are playing B/C team games...

Don't twist my words...

lol

49 minutes ago, Temptation said:

Going to play devils advocate here but only 11 football players can see the field at a time...you can only enter 2 athletes per event in the track state tournament, you have to trim your roster to a certain amount for the tournament series in every sport.

At what point is 5,000 kids too many and are you costing student athletes opportunities?  First world problems, but how many junior varsity SWIMMERS at Carmel would walk on to another high school campus and be the best swimmer on the team?

A 2500/2500 split and Carmel would STILL be a powerhouse in most sports...

But its "about the kids" right?

Wait a second....Wasn't it just last week when you said athletes aren't discouraged to come out due to large participation numbers?

Oh the irony.

10 minutes ago, Lysander said:

2-3 years ago I had lunch with the director of a not-for-profit whose organization was responsible for promoting development among the various municipalities in Hamilton County.  I was surprised when he told me that if you combined those various municipalities (Fishers, Noblesville, Carmel, etc., etc.), the population measured only 4-5,000 less than the Ft. Wayne area.

It was a bit jaw-dropping to me at the time to learn of this.

Wait till Westfield is fully developed

24 minutes ago, gaby said:

Seeing this made me wonder what HSE would look like had they not carved out Fishers HS.  Looks like both have around 3,200 kids, so 6,400 combined!  Makes Carmel look small, LOL.  I'm sure the HCC is grateful for the division!

Give it 10-15 years, I wouldn't be shocked to see Lawrence Central consolidate back to one school. With a stagnant population growth and trends of more and more families moving east into Hancock County (Mt. Vernon and New Pal), it wouldn't surprise me to see this happen. Property value and re-sale value of homes in Lawrence Township compared to those of sections of Hancock County suggest this.

1 minute ago, JustRules said:

Even then it's not automatic choice. You are pre-assigned to one of the schools and have to go through some process to attend the other one unless you in the immersion program. You are already mapped to LN. But you still don't have a direct bus route to LN. You either have to arrange your own ride or take the shuttle to and from LC.

Sure. That’s how open enrollment works just about everywhere. But LC is hurt/impacted in a worse way than LN. The faction of Geist (the most affluent part of Lawrence Township) is seeing its kids go to private schools or HSE/Mt. Vernon.

3 minutes ago, JustRules said:

Open enrollment to an extent. You are assigned to an elementary, middle and high school depending on neighborhood. There is some ability to choose schools, but I believe there is a process to it if you want to go where you aren't assigned.  You can't have 1200 students at one elementary school and 200 at another. If you don't attend the school where you are assigned you are responsible for transportation. They do offer a shuttle between the high schools so students who live in an LC neighborhood but attend LN can take the bus to LC and then shuttle to LN. The issue is they miss the first 20 minutes of the first period and last 15 minutes of the last period. I've heard most kids try to carpool with others in their neighborhood. I think the middle schools have a similar shuttle.

I was more so just eluding to the high schools.

2 minutes ago, JustRules said:

I wasn't sure who they competed with in most sectionals so I looked up the boys sectionals from last year. It's almost always other Marion County schools. It was a heavy dose of Tech, North Central, Cathedral, Chatard, and Warren Central. Brebeuf, Heritage Christian, Scecina showed up a couple times. The only non-Marion County schools I found were New Pal (Baseball), Shelbyville (Swimming) and Mount Vernon (Track and Wrestling). Track was the one real oddball. It was the only sport where LN and LC were split. LN was with a bunch of small schools in Hancock, Madison, and east. LC was with most of the same other Marion County schools. I didn't look at the girls sports, but I assume they are similar.

Not lost in all this, but LC should be a heavy favorite to win the 4A basketball title this year.

6 minutes ago, Temptation said:

With the growing suburbs, LN travels east and avoids most Marion County schools in the sectional round of many sports, so I would hope they'd win sectionals in 9 of the 16 sports...

Great post though.  Thanks for the insight.  I was unaware of the Lawrence Township boundaries.

Lawrence Township is now open enrollment I believe. There used to be 3 middle schools Belzer (LC), Fall Creek Valley (LN), and Craig (split LC/LN depending on address). Craig closed awhile back. General rule of thumb is that most kids that go to Belzer go to LC and Fall Creek Valley go to LN. There's a section of Geist, southwest part of the reservoir out to 600 between 86th and 96th street that feed into the Belzer. That area is the most affluent part of Lawrence Township and the area LC/Lawrence Township lose most of their kids. 

5 minutes ago, DT said:

Sounds like LC is getting hit from every angle.  The Bears won the state title primarily due to the exploits of Tre Roberson.  He was a once in a lifetime talent for LC.

Perhaps Rodenberg didn't quite do his homework.  LC might have more strong schools picking over their talent than any other school in the state.

Is there any possibility that the current WC staff might be doing some subtle cross township recruiting?  Just sayin'   😁

 

That and I just think Lawrence Township is capped with 2 schools. Geist isn't growing or getting bigger and families are moving into Hamilton and Hancock County. Better school districts.

12 minutes ago, DT said:

It appears as if LC enrollment is declining

While LN is growing.  

 

And I think it has to do with some of the reasons I stated above. There is a faction of Lawrence Township (Geist) where socioeconomic demographics are more aligned with schools like HSE and Mt. Vernon who are also closer in proximity than the drive out to Lawrence Central, along with a good percentage of kids who go the private school route (Cathedral/Chatard). Up until a few years ago Lawrence Township had districts and the Geist portion of Marion County fed into Lawrence Central. A good amount of those kids are still going to private schools, especially high school, while some are now starting to migrate towards HSE and Mt. Vernon. 

I also have a strong suspicion that Warren Central is still pulling some "athletes" that technically live on the southend of Lawrence Township. 

Just now, DanteEstonia said:

You went to Cathedral, correct?

Correct

9 minutes ago, Temptation said:

Why, in your opinion?

Socioeconomic factors.

Truth be told, I grew up in Geist and went private k-12 and a lot of my friends went the same route (graduated high school 08). Today, I live on the Marion County side of Geist and more and more kids are going to HSE/Mt. Vernon for high school, especially Mt. Vernon, if they aren't already in private school. Mt. Vernon and HSE are both closer in distance to that area in Lawrence Township than Lawrence Central.

22 minutes ago, Temptation said:

As far as the topic is concerned, Lawrence Township in general is a mystery to me.  You still have high socioeconomics at LN as they still pull from the Geist area I believe and and everyone was in love with the Rodenberg hire when it happened.  Most gave him a pass in year 1 and while wins are not easy to come by in the MIC, one would have thought they would at least be competitive.  They were my "up and coming" team in the MIC, until the season started.  Then I thought their win over LN might propel them forward but that has ended with a thud thus far.

I often look to other sports in the same season if a football team is struggling.  Its not like football is losing athletes to soccer that often but every time I have driven up Post Road the welcome sign to Lawrence touts it as the "soccer capital."  Its not like they are tearing it up in other sports either.  Very mind boggling.

 

A lot of those Geist kids are going to private schools and/or making the drive to Hamilton Southeastern or Mt. Vernon.

16 hours ago, Temptation said:

I knew you’d find me...

Bravo.

Dense does have a way of standing out.