Footballking16

Add surface, cleats, weather, contact..it’s two different sports. Put a track guy in those elements and his “track speed” doesn’t always translate.

A lot of football schedules are made years (sometimes decades) in advance so a lot of PU’s non-conference opponents were scheduled under a different regime, but yes it is funny to listen to some Purdue fans down play IU’s schedule and subsequent 8-4 record all while sitting at home.

Well yeah, hence football and track speed. Track speed is all about linear, straight line speed. Football is all about cutting, etc (agility). There’s plenty of “track guys” who wouldn’t cut it in football, and a lot of “fast” football players who would get smoked in a race. They aren’t mutually exclusive. Two different types of “speed”.

I thought Evan Neal, freshman all-American, ended up starting over him?

It's definitely a real thing. There are guys like Usain Bolt and all those other world class sprinters who nobody on a football field is going to touch in a linear race, but football ain't a linear race.

Never heard of football speed as opposed to track speed? There's a lot of guys who have straight line speed who can absolutely fly, "track speed". There's others with exceptional short bursts of speed and the ability to cut and change direction on a dime. This is referred to as "football speed".

Committed back in July but yes he would have been a massive pick up. I have a feeling Emil Ekiyor from Cathedral who is currently at Alabama may enter the portal. Was given a shot earlier in the year and got hurt and may never regain his spot.

He lit up a young Indiana secondary who had built a lead and 3-9 Northwestern. Did alright against Wisconsin but like Indiana had built a big lead and was content giving up the underneath routes. Need to establish a running game and a line that gives the QB time to go through all his progressions for them to be consistent, but yes getting stops will be the death of Purdue next year in my opinion. I watched for 3-4 years as Kevin Wilson trotted out an NFL caliber QB with NFL caliber skill position players (and a good line as well) lose shoot out after shoot out because they didn't have a defense. Might be Purdue's best bet next year, but the B10 has much better defenses than the Big 12.

would be a helluva coach em up job if Brohm gets the Boilers to 9 wins next year given that schedule and inexperience. I think Purdue starts the year 0-2 (Purdue susceptible to slow starts under Brohm) and then wins their next 4. They then lose 3 of their next 4 and are 5-5 heading into the Iowa game.

sure, then it negates everything. But I think Purdue is much closer to a 5-6 win team next year than an 8 win team looking at the schedule @ Nebraska---Frost loses this game he may lose the fan base Memphis---game just got a little easier with Norvell leaving but Memphis returns a ton and should be nationally ranked to start the year Air Force---Another team ranked in the top 25 to end the year; never easy to prep for the triple option @ Boston College----all world RB is gone and they have new coach, game Purdue should win even if on road Rutger--Win @ Illinos----Should win @ Michigan-----loss Northwestern--should win @ Minnesota---should lose Wisconsin---going with Badgers until Purdue beats them, what's it been since 04? Iowa---Purdue has fared well against Iowa under Brohm; still a tough game @ Indiana---Rivalry game and probably a toss up; would say any Purdue fan that thinks this is a gimme win will be in for a rude awakening.

I never said that, but again, looking at the bigger picture, Purdue is nowhere near leapfrogging Wisconsin. The only way "B10 title" and "playoff hopes" and Purdue belong in the same sentence is the fact that Purdue is paying their coach top 10 money. As I said above, looking at Purdue's schedule next year, I don't think 6+ wins is a foregone conclusion. It would mean Brohm did better with the dumpster fire he inherited in years 1 and 2 over the teams he recruited for years 3 and 4.

I’m not sure I agree with that. The worse thing to happen to Illinois was Michigan State’s colossal choke job that allowed Illinois to get to bowl eligibility and will likely net Lovie an extension. This is an Illinois team that lost at home to Northwestern and Eastern Michigan and barely beat UConn. Illinois had a bevy of grad transfers who won’t be with the program next year.

A B10 championship for Purdue is a pipe dream right now and talks of play hopes is living in fantasy land. Wisconsin is and will for the time being be the class of the West. Minnesota may be pushing the needle but Purdue is way below the curve.

I'm not selling the program short, just being a realist. IU isn't going to leapfrog success and neither is a Purdue. To get to that upper echelon, you need to be a consistent bowl qualifier and in theory you should see an uptick in recruiting. Who has more momentum right now? An IU team with a chance at 9 wins playing a January bowl or a 4-8 Purdue team putting a lot of their eggs in one basket hoping that a bunch of RS freshman who didn't play and underclassmen take a massive leap? Brohm was a home run hire for sure, but I think his aura is starting to wear off. He was significantly out-coached in a few games this year and has some head-scratching losses the last couple years. Do you think Purdue will be able to sustain its recruiting momentum after the allure of offering immediate playing time has worn off? Especially coming off a 4-8 season? I'm looking at Purdue's schedule next year and I'm not confident I see 6 surefire wins. Can't be paying a coach $6+/mil yr and not make it to a bowl game.

Any chance he's come home and play for another team that wears white and off red? Those colors seem to follow him hehehe

IU already plays Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State every year and up until this year MSU has routinely been a top 15, top 20 program. If the goal is bowl eligibility, why does IU need to schedule a bunch of P5 schools in the non-conference when they already play 3-4 top 25 teams in the B10 East and potentially more in crossover games? I've seen several Purdue fans bring this up? Purdue played S&P #113 Nevada, S&P #103 Vanderbilt and a 5-7 TCU team playing a true freshman QB in the non-conference. And you still went 4-8? Does Purdue get some kind of trophy for losing to better teams? SOS has ZERO bearing on bowl eligibility. Does Purdue really gain anything by accumulating 2-3 losses in the non-conference and then failing to make a bowl? I don't make the schedule. And like I said above would you rather be 8-4 playing in a January bowl and getting the extra month of practice or sitting at home talking about how you "valiantly" scheduled better teams? I won't say with 100% certainty, but I believe Purdue's recruiting is going to start plateauing and steadily decline from here on out. I still think they can land top 30 or 40 classes, but they aren't going to be able to sell immediate playing time to 4* recruits, especially at the skill positions, as Brohm's initial classes become upperclassmen. That has been a huge selling point for him as he inherited very little. But IU has steadily been stockpiling lineman and even someone like PJ Fleck came in and strengthened his OL with a bunch of JUCO/Grad Transfers something Brohm neglected. I think you're at least two years away from seeing a serviceable offensive line in West Lafayette. Agree but that is something IU has done. They started Coy Cronk from day 1 who turned into an All-10 caliber lineman and threw another true freshman into the fire when he went down with an injury and it's very likely Cronk is back for a 5th year along with BEdford (true freshman) and 2 other starters from this years unit. They also just added a grad transfer from Stanford who Purdue was very high on. IU hasn't gotten the "stars" that Purdue has, but IU for the last 3 years has quietly stockpiled some unheralded talent and more importantly depth on both lines. And they've all been getting major PT as well.

Reitz 2007 and 2009 were up there. They smoked Cathedral in 2009 in a year where Cathedral beat Carmel and Warren to start the year.

I think he'll play special teams and could as early as this coming year, but doubt he sees the rotation until he's an upperclassmen, if ever. Two more years of Stevie Scott and Ronnie Walker, 3 more years of Sampson James and a few hours before Spegal committed, IU landed a RB out of VA who was previously committed to Michigan. I'm sure Allen will take a RB or two in the 2021 class as well.

Brohm has had some great success recruiting top end skill position players on the premise of early playing time. And while that has netted some very highly rated classes, I feel he's neglected to develop and deepen his offensive line. Will see if that eventually catches up to him.

Shocked he took a PWO at IU, but as an IU fan I’ll take it. IU is loaded at RB with Scott, Sampson James and Ronnie Walker, the two latter 4* recruits who are back ups. IU also just landed another RB out of VA today that was previously committed to Michigan.

I’d rather be 8-4 than 4-8 any day of the week. IU is playing in a January Bowl against an SEC team getting an extra month of practice, Purdue is sitting at home. IU returns 18/22 on their 2 deep on the defensive side and 17/22 on the offensive side. IU had a ton of underclassmen contribute and a reason why the Hoosiers are 8-4. Purdue is putting a ton of stock into kids that redshirted last year of kids that got hurt and didn’t get the game experience. I think Purdue fans are in for a rude awakening. Thin and weak in the trenches and that typically isn’t a winning formula in the B10.

It helps when both schools sign off, especially when transferring to a private. Eron Gordon was a debacle. There were two D1 athletes that transferred from North Central to Cathedral a few years. One was Jordan Walker who has been a 4 year starter at Morehead State who was cleared with no issue. The other was obviously Gordon and because of his household name (Eric Gordon’s brother), he had limited eligibility. It was a mess.

How is it interesting? He said the exact same thing as I said but used actually schools as an example. A student who goes to a public junior high in Lawrence Township but enrolls at Chatard as a freshman isn’t considered a transfer. Somebody who attends West Lafayette as a freshman but attends Chatard as a sophomore because their parents moved to Indianapolis obviously isn’t an athletic transfer. A kid who starts out at Lawrence North and transfers to a private school 3 miles down the road is obviously going to be considered an athletic transfer, assuming they play sports. All of this is common sense, self-explanatory. As someone who lists coach/staff in their bio, it’s kind of mystifying how this is somehow news to you? Are you being pedantic?

An athletic transfer is an athletic transfer. I don’t know what else to tell you? Regardless if it’s public to public, private to public, public to private, a student who transfers for athletic purposes shall be deemed to have limited eligibility ruled forth by the IHSAA. A person who starts their career at one high school who then transfers to another high school is deemed a transfer. An 8th grader who attends a junior high school in one district but elects to attend a high school in an opposing district is exercising open enrollment. No pictures necessary, this is pretty much common sense.

You made a blanket (and wrong) statement pertaining to open enrollment using an example of an athletic transfer. Considering I was the one who brought up open enrollment, I figured you were referencing my posts. Not shocking you don’t understand how open enrollment works.