Footballking16

Well that’s not how open enrollment works but thanks for playing. Whats you’ve just described is a transfer and has nothing to do with what I’m talking about.

Warren and Ben Davis aren’t blue collar? Yikes.

-Tax dollars that goes towards infrastructure (stadium, playing surface, weight room). Most facilities at P/P’s (assuming they have their own stadium) are dated and any upgrades that are made are almost solely through donations -Open enrollment (in most cases), almost every district is open enrollment and kids can navigate towards any school they want without paying a steep tuition fee -eligibility requirements. Again this is likely arbitrary and varies from district to district, but would guess the average p/p has stricter eligibility requirements than the IHSAA minimum compared to its average counterpart

Who is disagreeing that P/P's don't have some advantages over their public counterparts? But there's also certain advantages that publics enjoy over P/P's as well. We've already established that higher participation rates, better parent involvement, and a phenomenal feeder program is something that schools like Cathedral/Chatard enjoy over their public counterparts. But capping their enrollment to stay in a certain class (something you keep advocating) sure as hell ain't one.

Would be a perennially nationally ranked program

Has everything to do with everything. CYO is one of the best feeder systems in the entire state. You have 7 or 8 schools that feed into Chatard and they all start out playing as 3rd and 4th graders with and against each other. Everyone gets to play and they run the same schemes as the high school. It's not uncommon to get 4 QB's or 4 RB's or 4 of whatever who are all really good and who have all been the best players on their grade school teams for 5 or 6 years. It promotes competition. Having one middle school weeds as opposed to 7 or 8 weeds out the competition and players quit due to lack of playing time before they ever fully develop. That's why you see so many kids on Chatard's roster relative to their enrollment.

Perception is reality. Thanks for stating as such. P/P enrollments are DECLINING. It's ain't cheap to send your kid to a private school. Do you have any kind of real life scenario where private schools are rejecting applications? Because I know this isn't the case.

That honestly isn't a terrible idea although I think you'd run into scheduling issues in playoffs. 1A and 6A would essentially have two weeks off before they played their first game assuming you keep the Thanksgiving Weekend Finals format. Could see where the field for 2A-5A is eliminated by 20-30% at the conclusion of the regular season to get to 32 teams and adding a 10th regular season game. 1A and 6A get a bye like 5A and 6A do now and the schedule to the finals remains the same. You may be on to something.

That's why I said I wasn't going to convince you, just tell you you're wrong. I'll take my own personal experience along with dozens of others over some emotionallcharged and butt hurt fan who just had their season wrecked by a P/P. I see this every year. -P/P's don't cap their enrollments to remain in certain classes to pad their trophy cases -P/P's don't take kids from all over the entire to line their athletic sidelines -P/P's don't give scholarships out to their athletes I've been on the GID going on close to 12 years and this type of stuff comes this time of year, every year, usually by the opponent of a team recently smacked by a P/P, namely Chatard or Cathedral. There are absolutely inherent advantages that P/P's enjoy over like-sized publics, namely participation rates and parent involvement, and I've never steered from that. But you aren't the first, and certainly won't be the last to suggest that schools like Chatard cap their enrollment so they can stay in a class and pad their trophy case.

I'm not talking about the state finals guy. I'm talking about the overall competitiveness covering the entire tournament spanning multiple rounds. There's Cathedral, Chatard, teams like Dwenger, Memorial in most years and then a pretty significant drop off after that. Cathedral playing Park Tudor or Herritage Christian? Ya that would would go over well. And did I ever say athletics didn't matter at P/P's? No. But athletics aren't the sole reason, let alone half the reason why parents seek them out. A 100% graduation rate and 99% acceptance rate is a lot more appealing to those footing the bill (parents) than a good football team or a girls tennis team. You aren't this dense in real life are you? Well that's because all the good 4A schools are playing up in 5A.

Has ZERO impact. Not every P/P is an athletic factory and in some cases P/P's are some of the least competitive teams in the their class given the sport. I don't need to convince you, just telling you that you are wrong. If that were the case, wouldn't that lead to more students and subsequently an enrollment spike? Enrollment's at P/P's are on the decline, not the other way around. And it ain't because of their trophy case. Yes we've established that P/P's receive voucher money, but that money is used almost elusively towards free/reduced lunches. P/P's can't snap their fingers and have tax dollars allotted to build new infrastructure for an influx of applicants that already doesn't exist. An all P/P state tournament would be less competitive than any of the current tournaments. And it's not going to happen.

I have no clue, but do you think Cathedral, Chatard, etc receive enough voucher money that would appropriately accommodate new infrastructure? I doubt it would. I would guess with high conviction that the voucher money Cathedral receives is used exclusively for free and reduced lunches. A big draw for Cathedral as you know is diversity and cutting off supply for free/reduced lunches would be a huge turn off to those considering Cathedral who are less fortunate. I have a pretty good idea that Cathedral's acceptance rate is 90+% and considering the majority of those who apply to Cathedral also apply to Chatard, Brebeuf, Scecina, etc and some that are ultimately accepted don't end up going there which means if you apply, there's an extremely good chance you get in.

Vouchers, yes. But infrastructure, transportation, etc. I'm not aware that it is the case but I could be wrong. But if say a school like Brebeuf received an influx in applicants they can't go to the state and ask for money to build a new wing.

I will assure you there are ZERO private schools who are intentionally capping their enrollment so they can pad their trophy case. This is the single dumbest argument on the GID. You understand that private schools aren't funded by tax dollars and they can't just up and build a new building at the snap of their fingers. But I will assure you that private schools aren't turning away kids to stay in a certain enrollment based class to win a state title.

Starting to question Brohm and his authenticity. How in the hell does he not go for 2 there? I realize Purdue was banged up most the year, but really amazed at the lack of progression (especially on the defensive side of the ball) all year. Schematically they were terrible against IU and if IU had their full arsenal on offense, it may have (and still should have been) a 3 TD beat down. I'm still waiting for Brohm to develop on offensive line. You could have 4 and 5 star skilled position players all over the field (which Purdue will have next year) but if you don't have an OL, it won't matter. Really surprised Brohm didn't go to the JUCO or GT ranks to shore up an offensive line. I had a bunch of Purdue fans telling me as I was leaving Ross-Ade to enjoy the bucket while I could, and just couldn't help myself in thinking why Purdue is going to be significantly better next year. If you're putting a bunch of stock into a bunch of redshirt freshman who haven't or guys who missed most of the year and didn't get a chance to develop, how it puts them in a much better spot next year? IU returns 80% of it's 2 deep next year and many of those guys were freshman and sophomores. Looking at Purdue's schedule next year, I'm not sure I see 6 guaranteed wins. How long do Purdue fans justify paying a guy $6/mil to keep him away from Louisville that isn't reaching a bowl game? I think recruiting is eventually going to find it's level in West Lafayette. Brohm has had the luxury of promising immediate playing time this last year along with next due to the lack of upperclassmen, but that is eventually going to wear out. He needs an offensive and defensive line quick, or things will go south quickly. Kevin Wilson was able to put up 500 yards of offense a game, but never had a defense and was outscored every game.

You asked, "where are they at without the extra 6000 yards and 100 touchdowns". They were a 60-4 program with a state title and and a runner-up before he ever got to New Pal. They were 3-7 the year before Ralph arrived. Where do YOU think they're at without Spegal? Maybe not the best football program in the state, but a very damn good one nonetheless who still could punch way above their weight.

Spegal's addition made a strong case for New Pal being the #1 team in the state these last two years, but you're surely selling the job Ralph has done short if you think it has started and ended with Spegal. New Pal was 60-4 before Spegal transferred in and had a state title to boot and lost a thriller to a school over twice their size in a second state final. New Pal likely will take a step back next year but as a 4a school by enrollment, they're still going to be better than 95% of their 5A counterparts.

While I would agree East is a top 10 program over the last 10-15 years, I struggle reasoning that it is a top 10 job in the entire state and I would attribute it to their conference affiliation. The top 4 in the MIC are all better jobs and I would say there is at least 4-5 jobs in the HCC that are all better and that doesn't include Cathedral and Chatard and that's just Indy. Elite program for sure, just not sure it's an elite landing spot. Just my opinion.

I think Carmel is eventually going to permanently remain in the South with Elkhart and Zionsville becoming 6A schools. Have to remember that Valpo is a 6A school by enrollment but was pushed to 5A because of Columbus East. Valpo is likely back in 6A during the next cycle either due to enrollment or SF. If New Pal wins regional next year I believe they bump up to 6A and that could keep Carmel north, but I think Carmel will soon be a mainstay in the south bracket barring a bump up from a team like New Pal, Cathedral, or Columbus East.

What are you talking about, you literally said the 6A tournament was broken because it's continuously an all-MIC final more times than not. Carmel moving to the south bracket literally solves that. Not only will you see new representation in 6A north semi-state, but the 6A finals.

Is New Pal literally not doing it now, in relation to their size? Establish a culture, build a feeder system, and hit the weight room and you see the results.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. The 6A title game (D2) would have been a blowout this year (Center Grove vs whoever) as well as next year (until Center Grove is bumped to D1) under your current proposal. Your current proposal doesn't solve a fix to an all-MIC final because not every MIC team falls in the upper half of 6A due to enrollment.

You really can't help yourself can you? Carmel moving South 100% promotes competitive balance among 6A and you don't have to drum up an additional class to water down a 7th tournament in the process. Gone are the days of an all-MIC 6A final and you'll now see newer representation in 6A. Isn't that what you want?

Why is it a mistake lol? If Carmel isn't one of the 16 northern-most teams, they belong in the south bracket. No? Carmel moving south completely negates your idea that 6A needs to be split because now you'll see more northern representation in the finals; they'll just be more lopsided affairs.

DT's proposal does nothing but muddy the waters and adds an unnecessary class to crown a champion in another watered down tournament.