Footballking16

In some years yes. Carmel is now going south due to Elkhart consolidating. So get ready for a bevy of future 6A finals featuring CG/Warren/Carmel/BD beating a new 6A representative from the north by multiple scores.

Agreed. A split 6A would have still produced a Carmel/BD or Warren state finals game and then a Center Grove/pick whatever team up North blowout in the second game.

Agree and why I think it's silly to start a thread saying "the 6A tournament is broken" due to enrollment exclusively. It's dubiously funny that the thread has turned into a "MIC conference championship game" considering said poster who started the thread has made multiple attempts at discrediting the MIC.

So now you're steering from an enrollment issue to a socio-economic issue. I would agree with you on the latter that socio-economic factors plays a much larger roll than enrollment. I've given you examples of teams that are able to play above their weight and if you look what all these programs have in common it's that they have heavily invested in their football program, have strong community support, good feeder programs, etc. Pike 1300+ the week before?

Couldn't tell you. I know it didn't have any impact on Zionsville winning a sectional this year though.

And a school like Center Grove has proven enrollment isn't what necessarily makes a program great. How has high enrollment numbers worked out for schools like North Central, Lake Central, and Pike?

Doesn't Center Grove do it all the time? Don't you think enrollment becomes redundant once it gets to a certain threshold? You can only put 11 men on the field at a time. If you really want to be outraged, the disproportion of enrollments in 1A relative to football is much, much larger than that of 6A. A 1A school with 350 kids is at HUGE advantage over a school with say 150 kids in comparison to a school with 5286 kids playing against a school with 2055 kids. The enrollment gap between the largest 6A school and smallest 6A school is about the same as 1A (2.5x) yet schools in 1A are at a significant disadvantage when it comes to football, numbers speaking. Where's the feaux outrage to split 1A into two divisions?

Best jobs: Carmel, Warren, Ben Davis, Cathedral, Chatard Sleeping giants: Mount Vernon (Fortville) and Westfield. Both rapidly growing communities with good socio-economic demographics to boost.

? If you’ve read any of my posts concerning the Success Factor over the years you would know they’ve been met with general support. The only thing I would tweak is making it a 4 year cycle rather than a 2 year. No bitterness whatsoever.

And as I said earlier, just because Oklahoma implements a bad idea doesn’t mean Indiana needs to follow suit. There’s nothing wrong with the current set up.

And you asked me why I thought the postseason was watered down? You just answered your own question. Adding a 7th class of 16 teams no less, just so a namesake high school can win a state title instead of another school is the definition of a watered down postseason.

You can’t appease everyone, that isn’t the goal of a postseason. It’s to crown a champion. You’ve established this argument that the 6A tournament is some sort MIC championship without realizing that splitting the divisions in half by enrollment only furthers the MIC dominance. Imagine having to hear about Carmel/Ben Davis/Warren AND Center Grove winning a state title every year? Does anything really change? As far Cathedral goes, what does Cathedral have to do with enrollment disparity in 6A?

LOL. You called me mentally challenged for not thinking class 6A should be split into 2 divisions. You lost any credibility before you hit submit reply. There’s ZERO need to further split the classes. It’s watered down as is.

Oklahoma makes their teams qualify for the postseason and 2 or 3 of their 9 classes are comprised of 7 and 9 man football, something Indiana doesn’t offer.

They already addressed the competitive balance by adding a 6th class you dolt. The next step is to play 180 bowl games at the conclusion of the regular season and give the winner a blue ring and the loser a red ring. Two classes of 16 teams is ABSURD.

Lol. So now I’m mentally challenged for not pandering to the lunacy of the thread title? We don’t need 7 state champions between 300 some schools. That’s idiocy. We already let every team in the tournament to begin with, the idea of crowning 2 separate champions in a class of 32 teams is nonsense. It waters down the entire thing. If a team like Center Grove can punch above their weight for nearly 2 decades, there surely is a blue print to follow.

DT for the life of me I just don’t understand your rationale and lack of common sense, let alone the way you unintentionally contradict yourself. For nearly two years you’ve been crowing about Center Grove and Carmel leaving the decaying MIC to join the rapidly growing suburban conference HCC, to on the eve of yet another all-MIC 6A finals do a complete 180 and advocate two declining township schools leave their geographical roots to join some budding conference? What gives?

I think long term they would be on the cusp every enrollment cycle. Westfield currently has the 22nd largest enrollment and is growing rapidly and will soon pass Center Grove. Center Grove also entered the tournament without one of the best RB’s in the state playing a single down the entire regular season. Something to think about. Schools like LC and LN are forgotten being bottom feeders in a very strong MIC. Do we not believe they wouldn’t rise to the top if either team avoided a Warren/BD/CG sectional/regional/SS path?

Does that really change under your new proposal? You’re not limiting opportunities for the MIC, you’re extending them. You talk about MIC dominance now, wait till they’re represented in two different divisions. You’re still going to get a 6A D1 finals pairing with Carmel playing Warren/BD and then you’re going to get a D2 finals with Center Grove and whatever team from the North that ends up getting blown out. How does that solve anything!

This thread was started about lack of representation of low enrollment 6A schools, not free and reduced lunch. In reality, this thread was started to deter from the fact that DT for two years has been so off base about the HCC overtaking the MIC. DT doesn’t care that the lower enrollment 6A schools aren’t represented at LOS, he cares that the HCC hasn’t lived up to the hype and the MIC is as strong as ever. Under DT’s 6A split-division proposal, the MIC would have produced TWO state champions this year. Talk about your all-time backfires.

Valpo is 6A by enrollment but was in 5A due to Columbus East and the success factor. My guess is that Valpo as the smallest enrollment school in 6A likely makes it to semi-state and gives Carmel a better game than Homestead. Zionsville was the smallest true 6A school in the tournament this year, upset the #1 team in the state, and won a sectional. Per usual, I think DT talks just to talk.

Wasn’t Center Grove just in the state finals? A bottom half 6A enrollment school?

Wait, so you’d want 2 MIC teams to win state titles? Talk about irony here. And if it wasn’t a MIC school winning the Division 2 title, it’d be a 5A team like New Pal or Cathedral (technically 4A by enrollment) bumped up due to the success factor. Anyways, what was all the talk earlier this year about the HCC overtaking the MIC. You mean to tell me that isn’t the case now?

Agree and I don’t get it. They did the same thing against Chatard earlier in the season and it’s part of the reason why they only scored 3 points on 3 red zone trips in the first half. It caught up to them this time.