Footballking16

Not disagreeing with you, but how does putting Cathedral, Chatard, insert any P/P in their own tournament or adding a multiplier help a school like Tech or Washington? It doesn't. You know that and I know that. The success factor benefits a handful of programs a class a year. Teams who perennially go 0-9, 1-8 aren't just going to magically become good by eliminating the P/P's. And for the coach of a program like that to rail against the success factor or advocate for the P/P's to play in the own tournament reeks of whining.

What is the relevance to the success factor here? I'd be more worried about getting kids to come out and play over what class/tournament Chatard, Cathedral, Roncalli play in.

Cathedral literally hasn't played in their technical enrollment classification since the inception of the success factor lol. They've spent half their time playing 2 classes up. And why do you always drum up this stupid hypothetical up about drawing from 2.5 million people? Cathedral draws from who applies. And with over a 90% acceptance rate, that number is closer to 500, not 2.5 million.

The success factor should be of the least concern for the coach at a school with 900 students and only 40 football players.

Didn't realize the coaching fraternity had so many whiners. Yikes.

I'm for unlimited transfers, with the caveat: 1st transfer---no-restricted eligibility 2nd or more--restricted varsity eligibility for 365 days

Pike loses a lot of talent to Brebeuf and Cathedral in both football and basketball. Teague will at least keep some district kids home, he’ll probably even attract a few out of district kids given his AAU connections. Whether or not he can coach is one thing, but he’ll get the talent to win. He’s not taking this job to be a perennial loser.

There’s 10-12 kids on a varsity basketball roster. With an enrollment that size, that’s irrelevant or so I’ve been told. But yes, you’re heading down the right path. Coaching/culture/administrative buy-in etc are vastly more important than simply shouting “enrollment”. I’m inclined to agree that SES demographics play a much larger role than simply enrollment, especially at the current 6A level. There’s too many mega-enrollment schools in the state now for it to be an advantage in the largest class.

North Central was by far away the biggest high school in the state in the 70’s, 80’s and into the 90’s and still to this day a top 5 enrollment high school. Not sure those guys have ever won a regional. If enrollment is everything you say it is, they would have lucked into a modicum of success just once these last 50 years. No?

Why has North Central been largely terrible throughout their existence despite having a mega-enrollment since the inception of class football? Haven’t sniffed a state title.

And you would say that’s because of enrollment? Because in the last 4 seasons, Carmel hasn’t gotten out of sectionals, Warren is under .500 and BD was flirting with it before getting a new head coach.

Look at the enrollments of 6A when it was formed compared to now. There's 17-18 mega enrollments now, there wasn't 6-10 years ago. It's why enrollment continues to become less and less relevant. If everybody has the same thing, it's no longer an advantage.

6A has been around for 11 seasons and has been dominated by a school who isn't in the top half of enrollment. The three largest schools no longer have a monopoly on enrollment disparity like they did prior to 6A being formed...which is why they no longer dominate the large class. Everybody has caught up and passed the point of diminishing returns in regards to enrollment and correlation to football roster numbers. I've been saying this close to 5 years now. Carmel continues to slide further and further in mediocrity because their enrollment advantage is no longer practical considering there's now 17-18 schools who all have an enrollment nearing or at 3000+. You can say the same thing for Warren who hasn't won a state title in 5 years and has had losing seasons in 3 out of the last 4 years, as well as Ben Davis who just won their first title in 6 years.

I consider enrollment today, especially at the 6A level, irrelevant. As I've stated umpteen times, more than half of 6A has passed the point of diminishing returns when it comes to male student body makeup in relation to fielding a competitive football team. That's not limited to Indy either.

Per 247 Sports, Penn hasn't had a scholarship football player attend a D1 school since 2018 when they sent Paul Moala to Notre Dame (ended up at FCS Idaho) and Anthony Torres to Western Michigan. Clearly enrollment isn't the issue considering Penn is the 6th largest high school in the state.

Penn is bigger than all but one HCC school (Fishers) and has similar demographics to each of them yet produces D1 talent at a much lower rate. Even bottom feeders like Zionsville, Avon, and Noblesville are producing 1-3 D1 recruits a class. Why is that?

Of course.

Because they’re a shell of the program they used to be. They’ve been passed by 10-15 schools in the last 25 years. You made the claim, not me, and refuse to cite any anecdotal evidence.

So you can’t name a single player. Penn is as talented as the MIC schools, face it. They don’t send kids to D1 schools like the MIC does.

Which one? There’s about 10 of them now.

So answer my question: who was the last kid Penn sent D1? If you think Penn stacks up athletically with a majority of the teams from Indy, well you can certainly enjoy that take. Center Grove has won 4 out of the last 10 large class state titles and finished runner-up two additional times, despite not being in the top half of their enrollment based classification. Save your excuses.

I put much more emphasis on MIC teams having much better athletes playing much better competition week in and week out when comparing them to Penn before screaming “enrollment”. Who is the last D1 player to come out of Penn? Where did he go?

Warren Central could go 0-9 and still make regionals. They play in the worst sectional in the entire state. Making a regional with that draw shouldn’t be an accomplishment.

The team to beat year in and year out is Center Grove. 17th out of 32 in enrollment. Weatfield passed Carmel years ago, despite half the enrollment. Let me know the next time Carmel gets out of sectionals.

Didn’t say that. But guarantee you Carmel doesn’t sign up to be a sectional finalist which is a reality the last few years. Enrollment and all.