Footballking16

Not a single person has brought an argument to the table that brings a constructive thought as to how the regular season takes on any meaning. I get I’m in the minority for a playoff qualifier, but for the life of me I have zero understanding how anybody can defend how the regular season takes on any kid of real value meaning. If you support the all-in, that’s great. I get it. But stop with the backwards BS that the regular season has some kind of major connotation. It doesn’t.

Same boat, same water brother. I don’t get it.

Mad? Nah. Trying to make a difference? Maybe. I’m a sports fan. Period. The All-in, blind draw is an injustice to competition. You won’t change my mind. Make it make sense.

@scarab527 I’ll take your non-response as much. You don’t have one. There’s nothing to say. I get it. Make it make sense.

I mean seriously, two conference champions (Brownsburg and Ben Davis) aren’t going to win a tournament game while two bottom feeder teams (Pike and Avon) are going to play for a sectional championship. And the regular season (and winning a conference championship) actually has meaning? GTFOH

I’ve yet to hear a soundproof argument that regular season results matter. Better?

If you tell your players that going undefeated puts you in the best position to advance in the tournament, you’d be called an absolute liar. As you should be.

At the end of the day, the final score of all 9 regular season games mean absolute ZILCH in regards to the postseason. That is a fact and is irrefutable. You can take absolute joy in winning a conference championship or beating a huge rival, but at the end of the day and the end of the regular season it means jack squat. Everybody reverts back to 0-0. There’s zero gained advantage by having a better regular season than your peers. It’s a travesty. It happens nowhere else in this country outside IHSAA sanctioned tournaments. What you accomplish in the regular season is meaningless come week 10. Change my mind.

Hey, at least someone is catching on. You’re coachable, I’ll give you that.

Blowouts are the very least of my concern when it comes to the all-in. In fact I encourage them until the IHSAA wakes up and says enough is enough. My issue with the all-in is that it renders the regular season meaningless. In fact it doesn’t even acknowledge it.

Did the tournament in 1979 and 1980 actively take 50% of the field at the conclusion of the regular season?

Is that his response to his team when they inevitably get shellacked after playing their first real competition? Logical sense says that Penn, Elkhart, and Warsaw need to ditch their current conferences, start their own, and reach out for help. Carroll and Homestead would be good additions, Snider and Dwenger on top of those two would be even better. Playoff qualification or not, this benefits all those schools in the long run when it is time to play real elimination games.

And teams that avoid competition (see Elkhart and Penn) run the risk of missing out on the postseason altogether under a rating system that simply measures more than just W-L. Unless every team plays a round robin schedule, comparing W-L record is a highly ineffective way of comparing teams.

Avon wouldn’t be in a postseason that effectively cuts the field in half at the end of the regular season as they are currently a bottom half Sagarin rated team. If Warsaw or Elkhart played Avon’s schedule they wouldn’t be 7-1 or 6-2. What’s your point?

Well yeah, I was asked a question. I answered it.

I’d tell Elkhart and Warsaw to beef up their schedules. Elkhart has the second easiest schedule of any 6A team in the state (and lost to the single 6A opponent they’ve played) while Warsaw hasn’t played a single 6A opponent yet.

A qualifying format that cuts the field in half at the conclusion of the regular season would have included both the 1979 and 1980 SB St Joe’s team.

You said every team makes the NCAAT. You are 100% wrong in that regard. The teams that qualify for the NCAAT do so in part due to regular season success. The all-in format doesn’t reward regular season success, let alone recognize it. You’re completely contradicting yourself and furthering my point. You look foolish in the process as well. Keep trying. So it’s Cluster system or all-in? There’s no in-between? 50% inclusion is a compromise of both two terrible postseason formats. Solid analogy. Again, keep trying.

I never said anything about wrestling team state, you did. If the IHSAA can seed individual wrestlers in 14 different weight classes it can certainly do it for 6 football classes.

Well yeah when there are entire sectionals comprised of very bad teams there does have to be an eventual winner. That's how single elimination tournaments typically work.

Sectionals are most definitely seeded and you're placed in the following round based on your results from the previous round. Sectional 1 winner faces sectional 2 4th place finisher, etc and so on and so on until you get to the state finals.

Wrestling is the only IHSAA sport that I'm aware of that proportionally seeds sectionals, regionals, semi-state, and State. And it's also, at least in my opinion, the most exciting tournament of any sport. I've never wrestled in my life, and outside football, its the only IHSAA tournament I keep tabs. What I was saying, is that if you go to any other sport at any level (high school, college, professional outside of IHSAA) you will never find another postseason format that just blindly disregards the regular season. Hell we used to have to qualify for the postseason back in CYO days.

As a qualifier proponent I would 100% back an all-in format that truly seeded each sectional 1-4 or 1-8, as it would eventually be the precursor to a qualifying format. The IHSAA would have zero leg to stand on in justifying large scale, state-wide blowouts in every single sectional. But we all know this won't happen because of the above-mentioned.

Good. The next step would be to then implement a qualifying format. If Hammond Noll has to lose 100-0 at the expense of keeping teams like Ben Davis and Brownsburg on opposite ends of the bracket then so be it. People in charge need to wake up. Here is how archaic the all-in format is. Ben Davis is going to win the MIC outright after going 5-0 when they inevitably beat North Central by 40+ points. Ben Davis' reward for winning arguably the 2nd toughest conference in the state is a date with the #1 ranked team in Indiana, Brownsburg, in the first round. That same North Central team who went 0-9 in the regular season has an easier first round sectional matchup than Ben Davis, a team who went undefeated in conference play and won the conference outright. Or how about this. Brownsburg and HSE are going to finish 1-2 in the HCC, the toughest conference in the state. Brownsburg is going to play Ben Davis, a top 10 rated Sagarin team. Meanwhile, Avon who is currently 1-7 and in last place of said conference draws 1-8 Pike. How on Earth does that happen? Anyone who thinks that is acceptable or seriously thinks the regular season has true, inherent meaning needs their heads examined. PLEASE MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!

Uh wrong. The NCAAT invites, ie have to qualify, 68 teams out of 350 some D1 basketball teams. Villanova and NC State EARNED their right to play in the NCAAT. Keep trying.