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He did fine in my book, 4-1 against BD with a state title. Not sure what else they could want from him considering his 10&11 teams lacked talent.

2008-2011, but Hart very much shaped the BD rivalry into a much more respectful rivalry.

I still believe 2001 Ben Davis is the best this state has ever seen. They completely dismantled everyone in the tournament.

I see no reason to change my stance. BD and WC will be 2-3 next year in the MIC. In 2022, one of them will win the MIC after CG loses big players to graduation. I remember hearing the same thing back in 2008 when BD went 5-5 with a first round knockout to Avon, then in 2012 when WC went 5-6. Both have added state titleS since then and I am fully confident they will both add another in the next few years.

Maybe yes, but we're in a COVID year. Not quite. Maybe in terms of top 50, but BD has very little seniors this year. WC will be fine. 90% empty? That would insinuate they are seeing crowds of 900 people at BD and 800 at WC. It's not even 90% empty on the worst of nights. No. Maybe they can't attend the games, but families on the west side are very much involved. Most families are working 2-3 jobs while communities in Carmel and Greenwood have both parents at home and don't struggle financially. Really? Jayson West, who took both LC and WC to undefeated state championships is suspect. Jason Simmons, who took BD to within 1 TD of a state finals appearance is suspect. Many of these coaches were also around for the 2014 and 2017 titles. Suspect. Laughable. I disagree. Both will be in the top 3 next year, with CG leading the way before they both compete for the title in 2022. What does this say for my beloved Hounds at Carmel then? We were beaten 42-0 by CG. WC only 20-0 and BD 35-12. I'm not saying you should compare scores, but Carmel received a thorough beating in a rivalry game. Ouch.

I think you’re thinking of Temptation. That’s probably only the second time ever that I’ve brought up MIC Vs HCC on my own. I’ve definitely debated it but on my own, you’d be hard pressed to find any conversations I’ve started on here to that regard.

Here's what we now know... The bottom of the MIC is still MUCH better than the bottom of the HCC. Pike starting out with wins against Zionsville and Fishers but then getting pounded by BD, who I hear was able to get in a full practice week this go around. Pike has made solid improvements with their team. I'd say they'll finish 7th in the MIC. BD is going to make strides this year. They'll be a tough out by seasons end. Warren is struggling on offense. I'm going to say 4 wins would be successful for them this year. They're going to be loaded in the future, just as BD will. They may be the worst team in their sectional this year. North Central is such an awesome story. I don't see them winning the sectional, but it wouldn't surprise me. They're 2nd best in my opinion in their sectional. LN is the best team in their sectional and could play spoiler to CG. Doubtful, but it's possible. LC, still struggling but I think they're better than Warren. Carmel is not nearly as bad as their record shows, they're going to be a difficult task for Brownsburg. CG is #1. That's all. CG is the best IMO, but if the HCC wants to get a champ, Brownsburg needs to finish the job this time around. I slopped this together somewhat, but it was a late night last night.

This is just more clueless talk from you... Ben Davis was in the SEMI-STATE LAST YEAR! They were 1 TD away from going back to LOS and playing a team they BEAT in the regular season. BD is about an ENTIRE MONTH behind Brownsburg in terms of time in the weight room and on the practice field. They're probably going to get walloped again this Friday, but sadly for the Giants, they're struggling due to COVID, not because the program is in trouble. Their last 6 years prior to this include 4 Semi-State appearances and 2 State Championships. Hardly signs of a program that is struggling. Brownsburg on the other hand, when was the last time they made a Semi-State? 1985? When was the last time they won a Sectional? 2009? Finally, Brownsburg returned 17 starters from last years team. Next year when the playing field is leveled, we'll see who comes out on top. My money is on BD.

BD wins 28-24

I think LN will eventually crack the top 10. WC is too high in my opinion. Crazy that BD will play teams 1,2,3,4,6,9,11

Provided we have a 2020 season, here’s my MIC predictions 1 Center Grove 2 Carmel 3 Ben Davis 4 Lawrence North 5 Warren Central 6 North Central 7 Pike 8 Lawrence Central

That I don’t know. It’s a pep band, but I know ours at Carmel is massive, but they also have over 300 in the marching band alone.

Keep in mind, Ohio doesn’t have a state band organization. They do invitationals but there is not a state marching band finals, whereas Indiana does and takes it very serious. I get it though, I’d be going home to if I had practice in the morning and were going to be on the road at a competition until 11-12 at night. At least it’s keeping kids off the street, and that’s a win in my book.

I would disagree. Maybe at DeKalb the band isn’t as strong, but in Central Indiana, this is marching band central (Carmel has won 4 national titles in 8 years.) Anyone that says a band, or dance team, or whatever it might be should only show school spirit at athletic events and shouldn’t compete is completely out of touch with reality. If I were a band director, and trust me, I prefer my football, but a comment like that and I’d be certain that we never played at a football or basketball game again. When I taught at Ben Davis, Dick Dullaghan regularly made his football team go watch the band at the State Finals. Mutual respect.

What cw13 said

The only events ISSMA has ever sponsored would be Regionals, Semi-State and State. All other events have always been sponsored by the schools themselves, which they’re required to have liability insurance in place.

I don't, but I know a number of band directors, including where I teach. Rec'd this information directly from a director who is on the board.

Obviously this isn't football, but it is huge as this is our state and this happens from August-November. The Indiana State School Music Association announced the cancellation of its 2020 competitive season today. Music programs are already struggling. This might be the nail in the coffin for a number of programs across the state.

Has suspended all sports indefinitely and will begin the school year 100% virtual.

It meant to say had Priscilla Dillow was at the school for years. John Clark has been there what, maybe 8-10 years. Honest mistake

This post PROVES how no one on this site should, or in my opinion, does take you seriously. Are you kidding me? Out of all the stuff you have said, with contraction, Ben Davis and Warren Central declining, this is by far the most delusional. Penn, Lake Central and Crown Point, none of them have female AD’s, so why bring them up? Oh, and funny enough you mention that, because a school mentioned above, Ben Davis, has a female AD for 30+ years and won 6 football titles and 2 basketball titles during her time when the female sports should have been dominating. Give me a break! And of course the girls sports should be weighted equally to boys. They’re HUMAN BEINGS just like the guys. Girls basketball shouldn’t be just as important as boys. Girls titles are more common? They’ve had the same number of sports as the boys for 20+ years, so wrong again. Oh, and of those three you mentioned, only Penn has won any girls titles in the last decade. (1 basketball title) The last I checked, a girl in athletics has nothing to do with how a boy performs on the athletic field. At least it never has in my many years around athletic programs.

That’s the IHSAA, not individual schools. Individual schools will always choose outlets for kids to receive education and, additionally, helping keep kids off the street. Success factor is one thing. Six classes is another. To remove opportunities for kids to play sports to fit a fans agenda, will absolutely 100% never happen.

Most coaches, parents and athletic directors (myself included) would argue that, at the lower level, it is simply an educational based activity. If you prefer to watch a high quality athletic event, you’re certainly not going to watch Purdue Poly play Victory College Prep. They, however, will continue with sports because it’s A.) Educational and B.) Keeps the kid off the street 280 means 40 schools (potentially in neighborhoods where kids NEED something to do) now have kids not at the school and this is why I’ll always be a big advocate for athletics and the arts no matter what.

It will be over, but they won’t contract. They’ll sit out this season and then return in 21. There are still more than 315 football playing schools, and with the additions of more and more charters, that number won’t be going south of 300 for some time.

100%! In my personal opinion, I think Carmel finishes below BD, but we’ll see how that turns out. The stars have aligned for a CG title run this year, so now we’ll see if they get the job done.