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Ohio OT rule and punt postitioning

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Two questions:  If a punt hits the pylon and goes into the end zone, is that a touchback or out of bounds at the one?

Also, last night's OT possessions, in Ohio,  started at the 20 yard line instead of the 10 yard line.  Is this an Ohio rule or a national rule?

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4 hours ago, PHJIrish said:

Two questions:  If a punt hits the pylon and goes into the end zone, is that a touchback or out of bounds at the one?

Also, last night's OT possessions, in Ohio,  started at the 20 yard line instead of the 10 yard line.  Is this an Ohio rule or a national rule?

Punt hits the pylon, TB. 

Consult the Gold Book, lol. NFHS is four downs from the 10. 

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1 hour ago, Impartial_Observer said:

Punt hits the pylon, TB. 

Consult the Gold Book, lol. NFHS is four downs from the 10. 

The officials missed this call in Cincinnati last night.  The ball knocked over the pylon and went into the end zone, and the ball was placed on the one yard line.  It eventually led to a score for Elder.

I thought the national rule was the 10 yard line.  I really liked playing from the 20 in OT much better last night.

Thanks for this information!

 

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On 9/7/2019 at 10:02 PM, PHJIrish said:

The officials missed this call in Cincinnati last night.  The ball knocked over the pylon and went into the end zone, and the ball was placed on the one yard line.  It eventually led to a score for Elder.

I thought the national rule was the 10 yard line.  I really liked playing from the 20 in OT much better last night.

Thanks for this information!

 

Is it possible they ruled the ball hit out of bounds at the 1 and then hit the pylon? If not they may have incorrectly applied the rule that if a ball touches something out of bounds it's placed at the foremost spot of the ball as it crossed the sideline. For example, let's say it's bounding at an angle toward the sideline. It last touches at the B33, crosses the sideline at the B30 and touches at the B22 (it's a fairly sharp angle). The ball will be spotted at the B30 since that's where it crossed the sideline. It would be really hard for the ball to cross the sideline at the 1 and then hit the pylon. The pylon is considered out of bounds in the end zone and if the ball hit the pylon it should be considered a touchback assuming it's the first thing the ball touched.

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Yes, Ohio has its own OT procedure, Here it is straight from the OHSAA website:

1) Overtime
• At the end of regulation, there will be a three-minute intermission during which both teams may confer with their coaches. During the intermission, the officials will meet the captains at the center of the field for a coin toss. The winner of the toss shall be given the choice of defense or offense or which end of the field the ball will be put into play. Each team will be permitted one timeout per overtime period.
• After the coin toss, the offensive team will put the ball in play, first and 10 on the defensive team’s 20-yard line. The possession shall be terminated if the offense scores, the defense has possession of the ball at the end of any down (if the defensive team gains possession, the ball becomes dead immediately) or the offense fails to make the line-to-gain.
• After the offense has completed its possession, the defense will become the offensive team. In order to ensure equal game conditions, the same goal shall be used by both teams.
• If the score remains tied after each team has been given one series, the procedure shall be repeated, except there will be no coin toss, until a winner is determined. There will be an intermission of two minutes, during which the loser of the original coin toss will be given first choice of the options, which includes the option to change goals. First choice of options will alternate for each overtime period.
• There will be an intermission of five minutes after every third overtime period.

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States have the flexibility to use their own OT rules, but the NFHS rule book does have a section for a recommended procedure. Indiana uses that procedure. It appears the only difference on the Ohio procedure is they start on the 20 rather than the 10 and A can start 1st and 10. No matter what happens in the NFHS/Indiana method there is never a line to gain. Everything is always 1st/2nd/3rd/4th and goal. Even if A somehow gets awarded a new series at the B15. It would be first and goal. For example, on the first play they snap the ball over the QB's head and he recovers at the B31. It's now 2nd and goal. On the next play they throw an incomplete pass but B is guilty of roughing the passer. The 15-yard penalty would be enforced from the B31 to the B16 and A would be awarded an automatic first down. But it would be first and goal. Under the Ohio rule normal line to gain rules would apply.

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17 hours ago, JustRules said:

Is it possible they ruled the ball hit out of bounds at the 1 and then hit the pylon? If not they may have incorrectly applied the rule that if a ball touches something out of bounds it's placed at the foremost spot of the ball as it crossed the sideline. For example, let's say it's bounding at an angle toward the sideline. It last touches at the B33, crosses the sideline at the B30 and touches at the B22 (it's a fairly sharp angle). The ball will be spotted at the B30 since that's where it crossed the sideline. It would be really hard for the ball to cross the sideline at the 1 and then hit the pylon. The pylon is considered out of bounds in the end zone and if the ball hit the pylon it should be considered a touchback assuming it's the first thing the ball touched.

That's possible it went OOB on the one,  but from our vantage point it appeared to hit the pylon straight on, but we were across the field from the play.  Anyway, the short punt gave Elder the ball at the 6 and a pretty easy score.

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