Week # 6 in the NIC

[ASJCPUMA]

NORTHERN INDIANA
ALL TIMES EASTERN
	CONFERENCE			ALL GAMES
	W-L	Pts	OP	W-L	Pts	OP	Streak
Elkhart	3-0	121	16	4-  1	154	35	Won 4
Penn	3-0	103	20	4-  1	159	89	Won 3
St. Joseph	2-1	31	39	3-  2	72	69	Won 1
Marian	2-1	75	32	2-  3	123	101	Lost 1
New Prairie	1-2	62	30	3-  2	151	44	Lost 1
Riley	1-2	36	90	2-  2	71	90	Won 1
Adams	0-3	26	113	0-  5	46	184	Lost 13
Washington	0-3	26	140	0-  5	68	196	Lost 6

The games this coming week

Friday, Sep. 27
Elkhart at St. Joseph ©, 7 pm
Penn at Adams ©, 7 pm
Riley at New Prairie ©, 7:30 pm
Washington at Marian ©, 7 pm

[BLACKGOLD2007]

Elkhart at St. Joseph ©, 7 pm

Penn at Adams ©, 7 pm

Riley at New Prairie ©, 7:30 pm

Washington at Marian ©, 7 pm

 

Elkhart and St. Joe play a tight game that Elkhart wins late.

Penn destroys another bad SB school

NP rolls over Riley after a hard loss to Elkhart

Marian unloads a lot of anger out on Washigton.

[BLACKGOLD2007]

Idk if it was mentioned but there was a play in the Penn Marian game that would have made the score 17-14 (assuming Marian makes the pat).

Penn QB is getting sacked, it appears he throws the ball but as he is doing that he is spun and throws it backwards. I as a Penn fan admit that is a fumble. I heard a whistle blow but then also see the white hat in the backfield drop the bean bag. Both teams appeared to not know what to do in that situation. Penn's players were just standing around, maybe because they heard a whistle. A Marian player went and picked up the ball, but then dropped it and began to move away. The white hat then called out to the player to pick it back up and move into the end zone. The player does what he was instructed....White hat signals TD. After some discussion amongst the refs and the head coaches, the ball was moved back to the original line of scrimmage and Penn was given the ball back and 2nd down. 

@Bobref what would your call have been in this situation? Because of the inadvertent whistle does it kill the play and the ball is returned to Penn as an incomplete pass?

[Bobref]

9 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

Idk if it was mentioned but there was a play in the Penn Marian game that would have made the score 17-14 (assuming Marian makes the pat).

Penn QB is getting sacked, it appears he throws the ball but as he is doing that he is spun and throws it backwards. I as a Penn fan admit that is a fumble. I heard a whistle blow but then also see the white hat in the backfield drop the bean bag. Both teams appeared to not know what to do in that situation. Penn's players were just standing around, maybe because they heard a whistle. A Marian player went and picked up the ball, but then dropped it and began to move away. The white hat then called out to the player to pick it back up and move into the end zone. The player does what he was instructed....White hat signals TD. After some discussion amongst the refs and the head coaches, the ball was moved back to the original line of scrimmage and Penn was given the ball back and 2nd down. 

@Bobref what would your call have been in this situation? Because of the inadvertent whistle does it kill the play and the ball is returned to Penn as an incomplete pass?

I’ve had a few of these … and it is always a chore to explain to the defensive coach why this is not a fumble, but an incomplete forward pass, even though the ball went backward.

If the passer’s arm is moving forward prior to the ball being released, and because of contact by the defense he is spun so that the ball actually comes out backward, it’s still a forward pass. Arm direction is the determining factor. It’s a very unusual play. Sounds like the crew wasn’t sure what they had. But they talked it over and got it right.

[Bobref]

32 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

Idk if it was mentioned but there was a play in the Penn Marian game that would have made the score 17-14 (assuming Marian makes the pat).

Penn QB is getting sacked, it appears he throws the ball but as he is doing that he is spun and throws it backwards. I as a Penn fan admit that is a fumble. I heard a whistle blow but then also see the white hat in the backfield drop the bean bag. Both teams appeared to not know what to do in that situation. Penn's players were just standing around, maybe because they heard a whistle. A Marian player went and picked up the ball, but then dropped it and began to move away. The white hat then called out to the player to pick it back up and move into the end zone. The player does what he was instructed....White hat signals TD. After some discussion amongst the refs and the head coaches, the ball was moved back to the original line of scrimmage and Penn was given the ball back and 2nd down. 

@Bobref what would your call have been in this situation? Because of the inadvertent whistle does it kill the play and the ball is returned to Penn as an incomplete pass?

At what point in the game did this occur? I’ll look at the Hudl video. Might be a good play to use for teaching purposes.

[BLACKGOLD2007]

16 minutes ago, Bobref said:

I’ve had a few of these … and it is always a chore to explain to the defensive coach why this is not a fumble, but an incomplete forward pass, even though the ball went backward.

If the passer’s arm is moving forward prior to the ball being released, and because of contact by the defense he is spun so that the ball actually comes out backward, it’s still a forward pass. Arm direction is the determining factor. It’s a very unusual play. Sounds like the crew wasn’t sure what they had. But they talked it over and got it right.

Thank you for that. I would have went with the fumble, not being a ref but from a fans perspective. The only thing I would have changed was not give them the TD, give them the ball at the 2. Since there was some coaching going on from the refs side. The boo birds were strong after that play. 

[BLACKGOLD2007]

2 minutes ago, Bobref said:

At what point in the game did this occur? I’ll look at the Hudl video. Might be a good play to use for teaching purposes.

It was in the first half. I think it was the second quarte. I think it was Penn's third of fourth series. Penn was heading toward the South Endzone. They started the game driving toward the North.

[Rocket]

On 9/22/2024 at 2:43 PM, ASJCPUMA said:

NORTHERN INDIANA
ALL TIMES EASTERN
	CONFERENCE			ALL GAMES
	W-L	Pts	OP	W-L	Pts	OP	Streak
Elkhart	3-0	121	16	4-  1	154	35	Won 4
Penn	3-0	103	20	4-  1	159	89	Won 3
St. Joseph	2-1	31	39	3-  2	72	69	Won 1
Marian	2-1	75	32	2-  3	123	101	Lost 1
New Prairie	1-2	62	30	3-  2	151	44	Lost 1
Riley	1-2	36	90	2-  2	71	90	Won 1
Adams	0-3	26	113	0-  5	46	184	Lost 13
Washington	0-3	26	140	0-  5	68	196	Lost 6

The games this coming week

Friday, Sep. 27
Elkhart at St. Joseph ©, 7 pm
Penn at Adams ©, 7 pm
Riley at New Prairie ©, 7:30 pm
Washington at Marian ©, 7 pm

Nothing to exciting this week.

Elkharts defense should carry them to a easy victory 

Penn has the JV in after halftime 

NP will have a new play caller this week, we’ll see if that gives the offense a spark or not. Np comfortably.

Marian coasts in this one

[npcougar15]

On 9/23/2024 at 8:30 AM, Bobref said:

I’ve had a few of these … and it is always a chore to explain to the defensive coach why this is not a fumble, but an incomplete forward pass, even though the ball went backward.

If the passer’s arm is moving forward prior to the ball being released, and because of contact by the defense he is spun so that the ball actually comes out backward, it’s still a forward pass. Arm direction is the determining factor. It’s a very unusual play. Sounds like the crew wasn’t sure what they had. But they talked it over and got it right.

If I'm reading this right. Basically you are stating because the quarterback started his movement forward; but got spun around resulting in a backwards throw it is basically a forward pass? 

I know you don't make the rules and just the steward of them. But man does that seem like a VERY tough call at the high school level with no replay. Seems like it would be 100x easier and less controversial to just have the rule state: if the ball is thrown backwards; regardless of circumstance it is a live ball fumble. 

 

 

[Bobref]

6 minutes ago, npcougar15 said:

If I'm reading this right. Basically you are stating because the quarterback started his movement forward; but got spun around resulting in a backwards throw it is basically a forward pass? 

I know you don't make the rules and just the steward of them. But man does that seem like a VERY tough call at the high school level with no replay. Seems like it would be 100x easier and less controversial to just have the rule state: if the ball is thrown backwards; regardless of circumstance it is a live ball fumble. 

It is a tough call. But we still have to make it. “Easy” is not always “fair.”

[BLACKGOLD2007]

3 hours ago, npcougar15 said:

If I'm reading this right. Basically you are stating because the quarterback started his movement forward; but got spun around resulting in a backwards throw it is basically a forward pass? 

I know you don't make the rules and just the steward of them. But man does that seem like a VERY tough call at the high school level with no replay. Seems like it would be 100x easier and less controversial to just have the rule state: if the ball is thrown backwards; regardless of circumstance it is a live ball fumble. 

 

 

Right!?! Everyone in the stands was like it is a fumble. Fans around me, including myself heard a whistle blow, but when the white hat dropped the bean bag I was like, nope the ball is live and Marian eventually walked it into the endzone. 

Without knowing that rule, we thought the touchdown should have stood. The only thing that I could come up with to justify the ball going back to Penn was the whistle. 

@Bobref did you find the play on Hudl?

[NICParentalFigure]

Elkhart 21 at St. Joseph  3  Defense for Elkhart will keep the Offense in a good scoring position. But, will the offense find a way to move the ball consistently?

Penn 35 at Adams 0 JV for Penn will probably play the whole second half.

Riley 21 at New Prairie 27 I think this could be a close game if Riley can keep their composure and be resilient.

Washington at Marian  Marian by however many they want.

[Bobref]

5 hours ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

Bobref did you find the play on Hudl?

I did. Camera angle is not the best. He definitely threw the ball … with his left hand! If this was replay, the ruling would be the call on the field stands. 

[BLACKGOLD2007]

9 hours ago, Bobref said:

I did. Camera angle is not the best. He definitely threw the ball … with his left hand! If this was replay, the ruling would be the call on the field stands. 

Thank you for your insight. 

[Shoot_The_Hands]

Elkhart 35 at St. Joseph  0  Honestly don't think this will be much of a game. St. Joe can't put up more than 24 points against a struggling Adams team. Can't Imagine what this one will be like. Defense will keep them in it early then get worn out with offense going 3 and out.

Penn 49 at Adams 0 This will probably be an absolute beat down by Penn. Will we ever find out what is going on at Adams and why they can't succeed as a program?

Riley 10 at New Prairie 28 I am not entirely sold on either of these teams yet this season but have to go with New Prairie in this one in a close game to start until they pull away late.

Washington 0 at Marian 56 What else can you say about this one. Washington has a lot of work to do and Marian is just better.

[ASJCPUMA]

No much to say about the games this week.  St Joe and Elkhart were 17-14 at half E.  One of their TD's was a pick 6.  They came out in the second half and played better.  Went more to the power running game and wore SJ down.  The Huskies ran the ball better but some self -inflicted errors (bad snaps, couple of interceptions, untimely penalties) got in their way.  The D line for the Lions was not as strong and intimidating as the press make it sound.  An Elkhart fan on the sidelines told me at halftime this is how they play all year, better in the second half.  I will say this.  Their coach is changing the sideline culture.  

[BLACKGOLD2007]

1 hour ago, ASJCPUMA said:

No much to say about the games this week.  St Joe and Elkhart were 17-14 at half E.  One of their TD's was a pick 6.  They came out in the second half and played better.  Went more to the power running game and wore SJ down.  The Huskies ran the ball better but some self -inflicted errors (bad snaps, couple of interceptions, untimely penalties) got in their way.  The D line for the Lions was not as strong and intimidating as the press make it sound.  An Elkhart fan on the sidelines told me at halftime this is how they play all year, better in the second half.  I will say this.  Their coach is changing the sideline culture.  

I want to believe in what people are saying about Elkhart, but I feel the same way about them as I do Penn. Easy schedule with their best competition coming in sectionals. 

Elkhart gets exposed in sectionals, if Penn doesn't do it next weekend. Penn will not look good against CP who just waxed Valpo 41-7 last night.