Sectional Scores Week 1

[vicvinegar]

29 minutes ago, Bobref said:

The sideline warning procedure is invoked in specific circumstances not present in this situation.

What are the specific circumstances that are not present? I'm not questioning your answer, I simply want to know the difference. 

[Bobref]

10 minutes ago, vicvinegar said:

What are the specific circumstances that are not present? I'm not questioning your answer, I simply want to know the difference. 

The sideline warning procedure is used for (1) nonplayers being outside the team box, but not on the field, or (2) having more than 3 coaches in the restricted area at any time, or (3) having anyone in the restricted area while the ball is alive. See Rules 9-8-1k and 9-8-3.

The sideline warning procedure is used to control the sidelines off the field. It is not used for personnel on the field who shouldn’t be there.

[Komets2727]

39 minutes ago, Bobref said:

Very glad you’re not running the show.

By the way, we agree that this was the wrong outcome. Where we disagree is that you’re all about punishment, while I believe in rehabilitation.

A few mistakes, I am all about rehabilitation, multiple, big missed calls that end the season and careers for a team and players, that’s harder to not hold accountability. End the season for this crew, lots of teaching and training for next year and try again with better results for all involved

[Bobref]

13 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

A few mistakes, I am all about rehabilitation, multiple, big missed calls that end the season and careers for a team and players, that’s harder to not hold accountability. End the season for this crew, lots of teaching and training for next year and try again with better results for all involved

So, you’ve decided on the basis of one game’s performance, with a substitute Referee, that this crew is irredeemable? Wow! I was on the field for 40 seasons, and have been observing and evaluating crews for the IHSAA for the last 7 years, and even I wouldn’t do that.

[Komets2727]

13 minutes ago, Bobref said:

So, you’ve decided on the basis of one game’s performance, with a substitute Referee, that this crew is irredeemable? Wow! I was on the field for 40 seasons, and have been observing and evaluating crews for the IHSAA for the last 7 years, and even I wouldn’t do that.

Always nice to see BobRef support the officials regardless of their performance. Just like for teams, crews should move on based on performance, not some old good old boy network that currently exists where performance be damned doesn’t matter. While you’re at it, why don’t you give all the crews that special participation trophy as well. Again, as usual, you look past the fact that poor performance from officials resulted in the wrong team moving on and the football careers of many seniors who won’t get the chance at Friday Night Lights anymore. 

[Bobref]

2 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Again, as usual, you look past the fact that poor performance from officials resulted in the wrong team moving on and the football careers of many seniors who won’t get the chance at Friday Night Lights anymore

 I’m not looking past anything. There’s nothing to be done about the outcome of the game. So, I’m focused on what comes next. Sorry you won’t get your pound of flesh … as unproductive as that would be.

[WestfieldRocks]

On 10/26/2024 at 6:28 PM, Komets2727 said:

Not often that I say this as I always believe that players decide games, but this was as poorly an officiated game as I have even seen and that is saying a lot. The whole crew should not be allowed to work another game this year and serious consideration should be given if any of them should be allowed to officiate at the IHSSA level again. I am unbiased on whoever won this game and just looking at the continuous glaring mistakes throughout the game. It was flat out embarrassing for the profession of officials as there are many fine, dedicated, men and women who don the uniform everywhere. Just a travesty…

I read today two things that I had not seen or known about that play. One, the QB's helmet apparently came off as he was going down. That there should have been a play stoppage, in other words, game over since it was 4th down. Second, the "white hat" official was not the normal one for that crew. The normal one was ill, injured, not sure what, and this game was this guys first time wearing the white hat. 

I do agree that this game was very poorly officiated. I mean, it took well over three hours for a one overtime game. Many huddles between officials before a call or non call was made. 

[Viktor]

On 10/26/2024 at 8:39 PM, Bobref said:

 I’m not looking past anything. There’s nothing to be done about the outcome of the game. So, I’m focused on what comes next. Sorry you won’t get your pound of flesh … as unproductive as that would be.

For what it's worth (maybe nothing), my take on this game is that even though it's the first round of the Sectionals it almost equates to a state title game cuz both teams probably rightly have that aspiration. As a fan in the stands that night, the frequent delays were frustrating and detracted from the faith in the officials. This forum has helped by explaining the unexpected substitution on the crew. Further, the head ref always seemed to be explaining the call but I never could figure out who he was talking to. He was frequently hitting a button on his collar and/or belt, seemingly to turn on a mic, but nothing. (which it ok...I'm just a fan - as long as the coaches are clued it - but still frustrating/confusing) (Indicentally, during the game, right up until just before the end, I thought the officials were seemingly against Brebeuf.) Now, after watching the replay (thanks to the forum, IHSAA, IndyTV 23), my view about the officiating has changed. The delays make sense - they were adjusting to a new team leader, and getting it right trumps expediency, especially in a game of this caliber. This crew seemed very, not totally of course, precise and conscientious, possibly too much so(??). 

NOTE: one example that I haven't seen mentioned was the "early celebration" penalty on a 3rd qtr TD run by Brebeuf. (the penalty was actually declined in favor of accepting a holding call) (the ball carrier raised the ball over his head on the 10-yard line on his way to a walk-in touchdown) This call seemed crazy (celebration not overboard at all), but apparently (not sure) NO such activity is allowed while the play is live, and that's the call the official made.  

[Bobref]

1 hour ago, Viktor said:

the penalty was actually declined in favor of accepting a holding call

As described by you, that’s an incorrect enforcement. You have a live ball foul and an unsportsmanlike conduct foul, which is always enforced as a dead ball foul. So, the penalties for both fouls are enforced. They are not combined to create multiple fouls.

[Bobref]