Temp’s Eliminator Poll (Week 3)

[temptation]

1. Lawrence North
2. Westfield 
3. Crown Point
4. Brownsburg
5. Warren Central
6. Center Grove
7. Fishers
8. Carroll (Fort Wayne)
9. New Palestine 
10. Decatur Central
11. Bishop Chatard
12. Merrillville
13. Lafayette Jefferson
14. Heritage Hills
15. Warsaw
16. East Central
17. Mishawaka 
18. East Noble
19. Castle
20. Martinsville
21. Bloomington South
22. Indianapolis Lutheran
23. Valparaiso
24. Evansville Reitz
25. Garrett

[BTF]

You're underestimating East Noble right now. They're a freight train that no one wants to play. You like transitive property, right?

Carroll 31, Dwenger 3

Homestead 17, Dwenger 14

Snider 17, Dwenger 6

East Noble 38, Dwenger 0

[temptation]

You forgot one…

Snider 35, East Noble 10

Edited November 9, 2024 by temptation

[BLACKGOLD2007]

Congrats Concord....You couldn't even make it out of Sectional...Thus proving my point about St. Joe/Elkhart county football....It is bad....It is all bad!

[BTF]

11 minutes ago, temptation said:

You forgot one…

Snider 35, East Noble 10

That was Week 2. You're a promoter of "some" teams being better in Week 12 than Week 2. Could East Noble be one of those teams?

[temptation]

11 minutes ago, BTF said:

That was Week 2. You're a promoter of "some" teams being better in Week 12 than Week 2. Could East Noble be one of those teams?

Absolutely.  I just can’t get past losing to a fringe top 15 team by 25 points.

I think I have East Noble placed perfectly, for now.

[BTF]

2 minutes ago, temptation said:

Absolutely.  I just can’t get past losing to a fringe top 15 team by 25 points.

I think I have East Noble placed perfectly, for now.

Nah, they'd beat Mishawaka. I gave you three good transitive property examples, you gave me one, and that was 11 weeks ago. 

[temptation]

8 minutes ago, BTF said:

Nah, they'd beat Mishawaka. I gave you three good transitive property examples, you gave me one, and that was 11 weeks ago. 

We will see.

So, you have CP by 14+ over Carroll in the other thread.

Carroll has now defeated Snider twice, both by double digits.

Snider defeated East Noble by 25.

The only possible takeaways are, you have Crown Point taking home the state title in easy fashion or you have Carroll, Snider and East Noble all as top 10 teams.

[BTF]

2 minutes ago, temptation said:

We will see.

So, you have CP by 14+ over Carroll in the other thread.

Carroll has now defeated Snider twice, both by double digits.

Snider defeated East Noble by 25.

The only possible takeaways are, you have Crown Point taking home the state title in easy fashion or you have Carroll, Snider and East Noble all as top 10 teams.

I have Crown Point over Carroll by 14+ because I think they are the best team in the State of Indiana.

East Noble's 38-0 trouncing over Dwenger on the Saints home field is utterly eye popping, admit it. More impressive than Brownsburg's home win over Dwenger 45-13. 

[temptation]

1 minute ago, BTF said:

I have Crown Point over Carroll by 14+ because I think they are the best team in the State of Indiana.

East Noble's 38-0 trouncing over Dwenger on the Saints home field is utterly eye popping, admit it. More impressive than Brownsburg's home win over Dwenger 45-13. 

Do I need to pull your preseason receipts on Dwenger?

Why are they all of a sudden the gold standard/common denominator in this argument?

[Komets2727]

2 hours ago, temptation said:

Absolutely.  I just can’t get past losing to a fringe top 15 team by 25 points.

I think I have East Noble placed perfectly, for now.

I got East Noble a bit higher as well, around 14. I fully expect EN to win regionals next week and let’s see who they would play in semi-state. I would also have CP around 7

Edited November 9, 2024 by Komets2727

[BTF]

1 hour ago, temptation said:

Do I need to pull your preseason receipts on Dwenger?

Why are they all of a sudden the gold standard/common denominator in this argument?

Yes, please, pull them. Dwenger played some really good football late in the season. Impressive win last night for the Knights. If New Pal beat Dwenger 38-0 you'd anoint them as the seventh best team in the state. Why the double standard?

[Komets2727]

4 minutes ago, BTF said:

Yes, please, pull them. Dwenger played some really good football late in the season. Impressive win last night for the Knights. If New Pal beat Dwenger 38-0 you'd anoint them as the seventh best team in the state. Why the double standard?

You know that answer…..

[temptation]

1 hour ago, Komets2727 said:

You know that answer…..

I don’t.  Dwenger was 6-6…not sure how the New Pal analogy fits.

Edited November 9, 2024 by temptation

[Komets2727]

1 hour ago, temptation said:

I don’t.  Dwenger was 6-6…not sure how the New Pal analogy fits.

Temp, transitive scores work only when it fits your purpose, otherwise, you discount it

[temptation]

27 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Temp, transitive scores work only when it fits your purpose, otherwise, you discount it

Stop it.  The transitive property works best when good teams are involved.

Brownsburg was up 45-3 on Dwenger at the half…and could have scored 70 if they wanted to.

[Komets2727]

11 minutes ago, temptation said:

Stop it.  The transitive property works best when good teams are involved.

Brownsburg was up 45-3 on Dwenger at the half…and could have scored 70 if they wanted to.

You stop. I am not defending Dwenger in the least, far from it. I have watched you use it to serve your purposes or to get a point across on many occasions, but when someone else uses it, you immediately discount it for whatever reason you want. Don’t use it anymore or don’t complain when others do. Fair ask

Edited November 9, 2024 by Komets2727

[Knightsfan_01]

6 hours ago, temptation said:

You forgot one…

Snider 35, East Noble 10

That was the lightning weekend where the game was finished on Saturday.  It was close on Friday night.  Kids got up early and traveled back to Ft Wayne to finish it…. and they had a couple key players not play on that Saturday.  Not discounting that loss just providing context.

[temptation]

3 minutes ago, Knightsfan_01 said:

That was the lightning weekend where the game was finished on Saturday.  It was close on Friday night.  Kids got up early and traveled back to Ft Wayne to finish it…. and they had a couple key players not play on that Saturday.  Not discounting that loss just providing context.

Thanks for the heads up.  When was it called/what was the score?

[adambetz]

6 hours ago, temptation said:

Absolutely.  I just can’t get past losing to a fringe top 15 team by 25 points.

I think I have East Noble placed perfectly, for now.

Snider/EN was a weird game. Dead even about halfway through and got postponed to the next day at like 10am on a different field. Snider held EN scoreless after the restart. If you throw out any game it's that one.

[adambetz]

7 minutes ago, temptation said:

Thanks for the heads up.  When was it called/what was the score?

14-10 Snider at halftime. Snider scores on the first drive after the break to make it 21-10. Lightning postponed immediately after the extra point.

[Knightsfan_01]

11 minutes ago, temptation said:

Thanks for the heads up.  When was it called/what was the score?

14-10 Snider @ Halftime

21-10 When it was called for lightning in the 3rd quarter I believe.

[temptation]

9 minutes ago, Knightsfan_01 said:

14-10 Snider @ Halftime

21-10 When it was called for lightning in the 3rd quarter I believe.

So, can all agree that Snider should probably be “comfortably” in front of East Noble in any ranking system while also admitting that Carroll should be “comfortably” in front of Snider, yes?

Can we at least come to that common ground?

I have Carroll 9th, Snider 16th and East Noble 23rd.

We’re splitting hairs here.

[Komets2727]

29 minutes ago, temptation said:

So, can all agree that Snider should probably be “comfortably” in front of East Noble in any ranking system while also admitting that Carroll should be “comfortably” in front of Snider, yes?

Can we at least come to that common ground?

I have Carroll 9th, Snider 16th and East Noble 23rd.

We’re splitting hairs here.

 No, we aren’t. Again, you use transitive scores on Fort Wayne area teams, but I don’t see the same on Indy teams. Be consistent 

[BTF]

34 minutes ago, temptation said:

So, can all agree that Snider should probably be “comfortably” in front of East Noble in any ranking system while also admitting that Carroll should be “comfortably” in front of Snider, yes?

Can we at least come to that common ground?

I have Carroll 9th, Snider 16th and East Noble 23rd.

We’re splitting hairs here.

You're going by the score of the game, I get it. If I wasn't at the game last night, I'd have the same gap between Carroll and Snider that you have based on the 21-10 score and the 30-6 drubbing weeks prior. But I did happen to be at the game. I saw a Snider team that was better than Carroll both offensively and defensively, they just repeatedly shot themselves in the foot. The last drive of the game stalled at the 1 yard line. Down 14-0 in the third, Snider drove the length of the field only to fail to get in the endzone (interception on 4th and 1) with a 1st and goal from the one. Then reeled off 10 straight points, utterly dominating the game at that point. First drive of the game stalled at the Carroll 30 yard line on a fumble by the quarterback. Then in the second quarter, another drive stalled at the Carroll 20 with another fumble by the running back. Snider played their hearts out last night, but really beat themselves if I'm being honest. Coming up with these polls is hard work, kudos to you. 

Side note: Brandon Logan (Notre Dame) didn't play. 

About all we can do is see how the season plays out. East Noble just seems to be playing at a high level. No one expected them to blowout both Leo and Dwenger.