Temp’s Top 25 (After Week 9)

[BDGiant93]

On 10/18/2025 at 4:35 PM, 23andCounting said:

What in heaven's name qualifies Ben Davis for the Top 25? I'm not sure they'd defeat Homestead. 

I don't believe a 3-6 team should be in the top 25, but the Sagarin rating puts the Giants ahead of Homestead and would have them as a favorite in a head-to-head matchup. The Giants have played the #2 schedule in the state so far this year.

Edited October 21, 2025 by BDGiant93

[23andCounting]

58 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:

I don't believe a 3-6 team should be in the top 25, but the Sagarin rating puts the Giants ahead of Homestead and would have them as a favorite in a head-to-head matchup. The Giants have played the #2 schedule in the state so far this year.

Much respect for the Giants, but they really haven't been competitive in any of those games. This just isn't their year. They lost to the best three teams on their schedule by an average of 33 points. Not much different than Homestead losing to Westfield and Carroll by 35 points. I'll give them the edge over the Spartans, but not by much (3-7 points). Sorry, it's hard to take anyone seriously by mention of them in the Top 25 with their resume. 

Disclosure: I reference Sagarin for entertainment purposes only. It's fun to look at, and they are probably mostly right, but there's also MANY flaws. Sagarin also has Merrillville over Hamilton Southeastern and Warren Central, there's not one person from Indianapolis who'll point to that as accurate. Brownstown Central over Dwenger and East Noble. See the flaws?

Regardless, I don't care if BD is better than Homestead or not, neither team is even close to being a factor in the tournament. I was just using Homestead as a point of reference for my claim that BD isn't a Top 25 team. 

[Rodney]

Cp would be a field goal favorite vs ben davis at home

 

Which is a huge step up from last time they played! Outstanding improvement

[Rodney]

BD has a nice win vs a good Lawrence central squad

 

but CP also has a nice win vs  #57 Merrillville 🤷‍♂️

[23andCounting]

16 minutes ago, Rodney said:

BD has a nice win vs a good Lawrence central squad

 

but CP also has a nice win vs  #57 Merrillville 🤷‍♂️

CP by 3 touchdowns if we're being honest.

[temptation]

3 hours ago, 23andCounting said:

CP by 3 touchdowns if we're being honest.

Nah, he’s right.

[23andCounting]

9 hours ago, temptation said:

Nah, he’s right.

You're too smart to actually believe that. If you were handicapping that game you'd have Crown Point as an 11 or 12 point favorite.

[CoachMack219]

On 10/20/2025 at 1:56 PM, Komets2727 said:

I actually like Penn’s chances against CP… I know I am in the minority on this

I think this year will be much like 2023 at Penn. It's going to be tight. I don't know if it'll be as high scoring but it'll be a tight game. Much more winnable for Penn than many may think. I like CP as the winner but Penn has a good chance to win this one. 

[Rodney]

If the game was played at bd I'd pick bd to win it

[BLACKGOLD2007]

59 minutes ago, CoachMack219 said:

I think this year will be much like 2023 at Penn. It's going to be tight. I don't know if it'll be as high scoring but it'll be a tight game. Much more winnable for Penn than many may think. I like CP as the winner but Penn has a good chance to win this one. 

Is it that Penn is improved to CP or CP has come back to Penn?

I think Penn's O is much improved from last year, the D benefits from not being on the field all game long. However, the issue of quality opponents I think becomes a factor. 

Penn has been punched in the mouth and responded once this year. But, it wasn't punch after punch, I think if CP wins the coin toss they should take the ball to test Penn's D right off the bat. 

Edited October 22, 2025 by BLACKGOLD2007

[temptation]

1 hour ago, 23andCounting said:

You're too smart to actually believe that. If you were handicapping that game you'd have Crown Point as an 11 or 12 point favorite.

@ CP:  CP by 6.5

@ BD:  CP by 2.5

[BLACKGOLD2007]

1 minute ago, temptation said:

@ CP:  CP by 6.5

@ BD:  CP by 2.5

So, BD would be the second best team in the DAC, if they played a DAC schedule. 

 

[BLACKGOLD2007]

Crown Point	7-0	291	87	9-  0	350	94	Won 9
Merrillville	6-1	279	111	7-  2	334	146	Won 6
Michigan City	5-2	192	147	6-  3	252	193	Lost 1
Chesterton	4-3	151	172	5-  4	174	211	Lost 2
LaPorte	2-5	90	200	3-  6	128	248	Won 1
Lake Central	2-5	104	189	3-  6	156	247	Won 1
Valparaiso	2-5	148	158	2-  7	180	222	Lost 1
Portage	0-7	74	265	0-  9	102	352	Lost 10

 

I think Chesterton down are 100% guaranteed wins. I think MC and Merrillville would be games but I think BD wins them in the end. 

[temptation]

12 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

So, BD would be the second best team in the DAC, if they played a DAC schedule. 

 

Likely.

This will piss @23andCounting off but BD and Crown Point both have Pike as a common opponent.

BD won by 17 and Crown Point by 21.

Edited October 22, 2025 by temptation

[Rodney]

Crown ranked 14 places higher than they should be point

 

Rank ben davis 🙂

[CoachMack219]

1 hour ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

Is it that Penn is improved to CP or CP has come back to Penn?

I think Penn's O is much improved from last year, the D benefits from not being on the field all game long. However, the issue of quality opponents I think becomes a factor. 

Penn has been punched in the mouth and responded once this year. But, it wasn't punch after punch, I think if CP wins the coin toss they should take the ball to test Penn's D right off the bat. 

I think CP has "come down to earth a little bit" for lack of a better quote. CP is not as talented/ good as the past two years (but still really good). Penn is better than they were a year ago. Not sure about 2 years ago because I don't watch enough Penn to compare them to 2023 (who was really good but not great). I would agree with you on Penn's O/D situation and the issue with quality opponents/ preparedness for a big time game against a big time opponent (based on VERY recent history). I also like your coin toss logic but I know CP is high on their defense so they may want to test themselves right away. I wouldn't hate either choice but I like the testing of the Penn defense option better, in this instance. 

[BLACKGOLD2007]

5 minutes ago, CoachMack219 said:

I think CP has "come down to earth a little bit" for lack of a better quote. CP is not as talented/ good as the past two years (but still really good). Penn is better than they were a year ago. Not sure about 2 years ago because I don't watch enough Penn to compare them to 2023 (who was really good but not great). I would agree with you on Penn's O/D situation and the issue with quality opponents/ preparedness for a big time game against a big time opponent (based on VERY recent history). I also like your coin toss logic but I know CP is high on their defense so they may want to test themselves right away. I wouldn't hate either choice but I like the testing of the Penn defense option better, in this instance. 

If you have a burner on the sideline, first play throw it deep. See if the Penn secondary is as good as they have played all season. Penn relies on getting to the quarterback. If they can get to him either with the sack or with pressure their DBs can make plays down the field. The O, can become pass happy at times. Which is frustrating when they are a good running team. They have quality backs and even a back that if you get him into space can become a big problem. 3 is shifty hard to bring down, 4 is a hard runner that can brake a play wide open and 10 is the bruiser of the group.

[23andCounting]

2 hours ago, temptation said:

Likely.

This will piss @23andCounting off but BD and Crown Point both have Pike as a common opponent.

BD won by 17 and Crown Point by 21.

I put more stock into transitive property than I do the Sagarin Ratings. You give a good example, but that's just one game. You have to look at overall body of work. Are we back to "Snider could beat Ben Davis in 2023" based on their common opponent in Warren Central? It goes beyond one game Temp. Ben Davis was embarrassed by the best three teams on their schedule. I'm not sold that those teams would do the same to Crown Point. 

[temptation]

10 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

I put more stock into transitive property than I do the Sagarin Ratings. You give a good example, but that's just one game. You have to look at overall body of work. Are we back to "Snider could beat Ben Davis in 2023" based on their common opponent in Warren Central? It goes beyond one game Temp. Ben Davis was embarrassed by the best three teams on their schedule. I'm not sold that those teams would do the same to Crown Point. 

Fair points.

Those games were in back to back weeks for what it’s worth.

@Rodney is going to be unbearable when CP gets eliminated next month.

[23andCounting]

2 minutes ago, temptation said:

Fair points.

Those games were in back to back weeks for what it’s worth.

@Rodney is going to be unbearable when CP gets eliminated next month.

We may have to ban him from posting if CP makes it to Lucas. 

[Rodney]

I would love for cp to make it to Lucas

 

Maybe carmel gets half their team ejected or something 

 

Then cp loses by a hundred at lucas

 

Just kidding I would be sad because im looking forward to carmel brownsburg.

Ben Davis body of work:

Playing cathedral to 1 touchdown

 

Cp body of work:

Beating portage

[temptation]

10 minutes ago, Rodney said:

I would love for cp to make it to Lucas

 

Maybe carmel gets half their team ejected or something 

 

Then cp loses by a hundred at lucas

 

Just kidding I would be sad because im looking forward to carmel brownsburg.

Ben Davis body of work:

Playing cathedral to 1 touchdown

 

Cp body of work:

Beating portage

I will agree that the transitive property is just one data point and comparing Ben Davis to Crown Point SOLELY based on one game is short sighted.

However, what about taking a look at the rest of Pike’s schedule?

1.  Crown Point beats Pike by 21.

2.  Zionsville (who Temp has just outside the top 25) beats Pike by 20.

3.  Lawrence Central (who Temp has had ranked in the teens for the most part) beats Pike by 29.

4.  Warren Central (who Temp has had just outside the top 10) beats Pike by 3.

5.  Lawrence North (who Temp has had in the top 5 for the most part of the year) beats Pike by 35.

I’ve long stated that Crown Point can only beat the teams on its schedule but the three of the four data points above point to Crown Point being a fringe top 20 team.

If they get the opportunity to play Carmel, they’d better hope week 9 Carmel shows up.

 

Edited October 22, 2025 by temptation

[Rodney]

He finally admits it

 

Quick rank them 23 like ive been saying for weeks