As promised

[Rodney]

Thank you for being good boys and leaving the other thread alone

@scarab527

@Komets2727

@23andCounting

This is the northeast vs northwest thread

 

 

 

Let me help you start

 

 

Top to bottom over the years fort wayne would absolutely dominate the dac

 

We're talking 80% win ratio

[23andCounting]

The SAC is having one of their worst seasons in recent memory, although programs like Northrop and South Side are trending up. Duneland vs SAC's top eight go 4-4 in my opinion. I think it's close. Here's how the top eight teams would match up if we were using Sagarin. Favored team in bold. 

Crown Point vs Carroll

Merrillville vs Dwenger

Michigan City vs Homestead

Chesterton vs Northrop

Valparaiso vs North Side

Lake Central vs Luers

Laporte vs Snider

Portage vs South Side

Edited October 18, 2025 by 23andCounting

[Komets2727]

1 hour ago, 23andCounting said:

The SAC is having one of their worst seasons in recent memory, although programs like Northrop and South Side are trending up. Duneland vs SAC's top eight go 4-4 in my opinion. I think it's close. Here's how the top eight teams would match up if we were using Sagarin. Favored team in bold. 

Crown Point vs Carroll

Merrillville vs Dwenger

Michigan City vs Homestead

Chesterton vs Northrop

Valparaiso vs North Side

Lake Central vs Luers

Laporte vs Snider

Portage vs South Side

That shows 5-3 for the DAC

2 hours ago, Rodney said:

Thank you for being good boys and leaving the other thread alone

@scarab527

@Komets2727

@23andCounting

This is the northeast vs northwest thread

 

 

 

Let me help you start

 

 

Top to bottom over the years fort wayne would absolutely dominate the dac

 

We're talking 80% win ratio

90% win ratio for the SAC until this year

[First_Backer_Inside]

11 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

That shows 5-3 for the DAC

90% win ratio for the SAC until this year

That was the sagarin predictions. He didn't post his opinion. Did you start on those mud slides and beers early today lol?

[Coach Nowlin]

Bombers over Eastside?   

[Rodney]

9 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Bombers over Eastside?   

Idk who Eastside is but I'll ride with the bombers

[scarab527]

Now that all the delusional screechers have chimed in, let’s talk about what’s actually happened when the DAC and SAC meet. 
 

I got this data off Harrell’s post season histories. Added in any regular season games I remember (only one I think that happened was Andrean vs Luers this year, please correct if wrong).
 

Merrillville 0-3 vs Snider, 1-0 vs Carroll (not a part of SAC at time)

Valpo 3-2 vs Snider, 1-0 vs Dwenger

Portage 1-0 vs Snider

LaPorte 1-0 vs Snider

Crown Point 1-0 vs Carroll 

LC 1-0 vs Homestead (not part of DAC at time)

So not counting Homestead and Carroll before they entered the SAC, the DAC is 7-5 all time in the series (9-5 all time for teams currently in both conferences). Keep in mind these were all in Regionals at least. 
 

Now this only counts the teams in the DAC currently. If we had Hobart when they were in the DAC, they were 1-1 vs Snider, 3-2 vs Wayne, 1-0 vs North, and 1-0 vs Harding. 
 

That makes it 13-8 DAC if we just count teams that were in each conference when the games were played. Again, all of these are in at least regionals. 

Now let’s add the other teams in NWI to this.

Andrean 3-1 vs Luers, 1-0 vs Concordia, 1-0 vs Harding

Lowell 3-1 vs Dwenger, 1-0 vs South

Griffith 1-1 vs Dwenger

Morton 0-1 vs Dwenger

East Chicago 0-1 vs Dwenger 

River Forest 1-0 vs Luers

Lake Station 0-1 vs Luers 

So that puts the SAC all time against NWI at 14-26, 14-25 if you’re only counting regional or semistates.
 

About a 35% win percentage all time against the Region, lmao. 

(Snider is actually the only SAC team that has a .500 record against NWI at 6-6.)

Let’s stop the hypotheticals now. The Region’s proved time and time again that in the biggest moments played for high stakes, they’ve beaten the SAC time and time again. 

[23andCounting]

7 minutes ago, scarab527 said:

Now that all the delusional screechers have chimed in, let’s talk about what’s actually happened when the DAC and SAC meet. 
 

I got this data off Harrell’s post season histories. Added in any regular season games I remember (only one I think that happened was Andrean vs Luers this year, please correct if wrong).
 

Merrillville 0-3 vs Snider, 1-0 vs Carroll (not a part of SAC at time)

Valpo 3-2 vs Snider, 1-0 vs Dwenger

Portage 1-0 vs Snider

LaPorte 1-0 vs Snider

Crown Point 1-0 vs Carroll 

LC 1-0 vs Homestead (not part of DAC at time)

So not counting Homestead and Carroll before they entered the SAC, the DAC is 7-5 all time in the series (9-5 all time for teams currently in both conferences). Keep in mind these were all in Regionals at least. 
 

Now this only counts the teams in the DAC currently. If we had Hobart when they were in the DAC, they were 1-1 vs Snider, 3-2 vs Wayne, 1-0 vs North, and 1-0 vs Harding. 
 

That makes it 13-8 DAC if we just count teams that were in each conference when the games were played. Again, all of these are in at least regionals. 

Now let’s add the other teams in NWI to this.

Andrean 3-1 vs Luers, 1-0 vs Concordia, 1-0 vs Harding

Lowell 3-1 vs Dwenger, 1-0 vs South

Griffith 1-1 vs Dwenger

Morton 0-1 vs Dwenger

East Chicago 0-1 vs Dwenger 

River Forest 1-0 vs Luers

Lake Station 0-1 vs Luers 

So that puts the SAC all time against NWI at 14-26, 14-25 if you’re only counting regional or semistates.
 

About a 35% win percentage all time against the Region, lmao. 

(Snider is actually the only SAC team that has a .500 record against NWI at 6-6.)

Let’s stop the hypotheticals now. The Region’s proved time and time again that in the biggest moments played for high stakes, they’ve beaten the SAC time and time again. 

Much respect for the region. Without running all the numbers, I've always known they were batting around .500 with the SAC. The question is, which conference is better from top to bottom. I get that the Region has won a lot of good games when it mattered, but that doesn't do much when determining which conference would win in a head to head battle. I've always felt like the two conferences were similar, but overall, I'll take the homer route and give the SAC the edge. If you guys wanna pull rank this year because Sagarin says so, have at it. I won't debate, I'll just stick with "it'll be close."

On another note, I'd love to see an asterisk next to Valpo's 3-2 vs Snider due to the snow storm game in 2022. And quite frankly, if those two programs played every year for the past 40 years, it would probably look something like 25-15 in favor of Snider. I know that will piss you off, but at some point, we have to be real.

[scarab527]

23 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

On another note, I'd love to see an asterisk next to Valpo's 3-2 vs Snider due to the snow storm game in 2022. And quite frankly, if those two programs played every year for the past 40 years, it would probably look something like 25-15 in favor of Snider. I know that will piss you off, but at some point, we have to be real.

Last time I saw levels of cope this pathetic was from Parkhurst right after Merrillville lost to Warsaw lmao

[23andCounting]

Just now, scarab527 said:

Last time I saw levels of cope this pathetic was from Parkhurst right after Merrillville lost to Warsaw lmao

Elaborate if you don't mind.

[First_Backer_Inside]

I wonder what the post season for both areas is overall, not just when the two conferences play each other. SAC bringing home 23 state titles is very impressive, and I'm sure the region has more than a respectable amount. Head to head in the playoffs is a good start, but what would be the overall playoff success of the entire conference from a certain time till now. It would be a lot of data collecting, but that would be the true test to determine which area is the 2nd and 3rd best in the state. I think it is easy to say they are the next two areas after the Indy areas to historically have the best football. The only area you could possibly make an argument for is Evansville maybe but might be a stretch there.

[23andCounting]

5 minutes ago, First_Backer_Inside said:

I wonder what the post season for both areas is overall, not just when the two conferences play each other. SAC bringing home 23 state titles is very impressive, and I'm sure the region has more than a respectable amount. Head to head in the playoffs is a good start, but what would be the overall playoff success of the entire conference from a certain time till now. It would be a lot of data collecting, but that would be the true test to determine which area is the 2nd and 3rd best in the state. I think it is easy to say they are the next two areas after the Indy areas to historically have the best football. The only area you could possibly make an argument for is Evansville maybe but might be a stretch there.

The DAC doesn't want to go down that road, it won't be close.

[scarab527]

18 minutes ago, First_Backer_Inside said:

I wonder what the post season for both areas is overall, not just when the two conferences play each other. SAC bringing home 23 state titles is very impressive, and I'm sure the region has more than a respectable amount. Head to head in the playoffs is a good start, but what would be the overall playoff success of the entire conference from a certain time till now. It would be a lot of data collecting, but that would be the true test to determine which area is the 2nd and 3rd best in the state. I think it is easy to say they are the next two areas after the Indy areas to historically have the best football. The only area you could possibly make an argument for is Evansville maybe but might be a stretch there.

Apples to oranges comparison when 18/23 of those titles are from Leurs, Dwenger, and Concordia in the lower classes. 

[23andCounting]

Sectional Titles:

SAC:  124

DAC:  83

 

Regional Titles:

SAC:  82

DAC:  48

 

Semi-State Titles:

SAC:  43

DAC:  18

 

State Titles:

SAC:  23

DAC:  8

[23andCounting]

Here's an apples to apples comparison since I'm "levels of cope this pathetic" for insinuating that Snider would be 25-15 vs Valpo over a 40 year period. 

Sectional Titles: 

Snider: 29

Valpo: 17

Regional Titles:

Snider: 18

Valpo: 10

Semi-State Titles: 

Snider: 8

Valpo: 4

State Titles:

Snider: 3

Valpo: 2

[First_Backer_Inside]

Is Harding's 06 Championship included in the 23 titles? Forgot how good Harding was for a couple of years. Without Jimtown, I'm sure Harding and Luers would have that number up in the 30's. 

I think comparing the DAC and SAC leans more towards the SAC being better historically. However, comparing the Northwest to the Northeast is a way closer comparison when you start adding in teams like Andrean, Hobart, and Lowell (RC if you count that as region). Not sure the SAC gets that playoff help that the region gets from those other teams. Also then opens up the can of worms on where you draw the line at for either area.

[Komets2727]

2 hours ago, scarab527 said:

Now that all the delusional screechers have chimed in, let’s talk about what’s actually happened when the DAC and SAC meet. 
 

I got this data off Harrell’s post season histories. Added in any regular season games I remember (only one I think that happened was Andrean vs Luers this year, please correct if wrong).
 

Merrillville 0-3 vs Snider, 1-0 vs Carroll (not a part of SAC at time)

Valpo 3-2 vs Snider, 1-0 vs Dwenger

Portage 1-0 vs Snider

LaPorte 1-0 vs Snider

Crown Point 1-0 vs Carroll 

LC 1-0 vs Homestead (not part of DAC at time)

So not counting Homestead and Carroll before they entered the SAC, the DAC is 7-5 all time in the series (9-5 all time for teams currently in both conferences). Keep in mind these were all in Regionals at least. 
 

Now this only counts the teams in the DAC currently. If we had Hobart when they were in the DAC, they were 1-1 vs Snider, 3-2 vs Wayne, 1-0 vs North, and 1-0 vs Harding. 
 

That makes it 13-8 DAC if we just count teams that were in each conference when the games were played. Again, all of these are in at least regionals. 

Now let’s add the other teams in NWI to this.

Andrean 3-1 vs Luers, 1-0 vs Concordia, 1-0 vs Harding

Lowell 3-1 vs Dwenger, 1-0 vs South

Griffith 1-1 vs Dwenger

Morton 0-1 vs Dwenger

East Chicago 0-1 vs Dwenger 

River Forest 1-0 vs Luers

Lake Station 0-1 vs Luers 

So that puts the SAC all time against NWI at 14-26, 14-25 if you’re only counting regional or semistates.
 

About a 35% win percentage all time against the Region, lmao. 

(Snider is actually the only SAC team that has a .500 record against NWI at 6-6.)

Let’s stop the hypotheticals now. The Region’s proved time and time again that in the biggest moments played for high stakes, they’ve beaten the SAC time and time again. 

Hey Scab, pick it and bleed

[23andCounting]

26 minutes ago, First_Backer_Inside said:

Is Harding's 06 Championship included in the 23 titles? Forgot how good Harding was for a couple of years. Without Jimtown, I'm sure Harding and Luers would have that number up in the 30's. 

I think comparing the DAC and SAC leans more towards the SAC being better historically. However, comparing the Northwest to the Northeast is a way closer comparison when you start adding in teams like Andrean, Hobart, and Lowell (RC if you count that as region). Not sure the SAC gets that playoff help that the region gets from those other teams. Also then opens up the can of worms on where you draw the line at for either area.

Rochester. The perfect mediator. Right in the middle.

I agree, if it's NW vs NW, I'd say it's pretty even.............well, maybe. NE would get Adams Central, East Noble, Dekalb, and Norwell.

At the end of the day, I'm going to have to roll with the SAC. There's not a team in the DAC or Northwest Indiana that has the resume that Snider, Bishop Luers, or Bishop Dwenger does. That's the tie breaker. Much respect to the Region. They have good football up there, it just gets overshadowed by the unlimited resources in Suburban Indy. 

Edited October 19, 2025 by 23andCounting

[scarab527]

28 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Hey Scab, pick it and bleed

It’s ok son, I’ll go get your binky and put you to bed now 

57 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

Here's an apples to apples comparison since I'm "levels of cope this pathetic" for insinuating that Snider would be 25-15 vs Valpo over a 40 year period. 

Sectional Titles: 

Snider: 29

Valpo: 17

Regional Titles:

Snider: 18

Valpo: 10

Semi-State Titles: 

Snider: 8

Valpo: 4

State Titles:

Snider: 3

Valpo: 2

The apples to apples comparison is their record head to head. 
 

Which Valpo is ahead 3-2 btw

[23andCounting]

2 minutes ago, scarab527 said:

Which Valpo is ahead 3-2 btw

They've played 5 times over 5 decades. It wouldn't matter if Valpo was 4-1, Snider's still the better program. And we both know that if they played every year, Snider would have the winning record. But again, I really don't care. I have too much respect for the Region to continue this nonsense back and forth. 

Good luck to Merrillville and Crown Point. I'll be rooting for them both. 

I'm out.