BendNotBreak

8 minutes ago, foxbat said:

Kind of depends on the year and class. 

The first year LCC was in 2A, they we about 30 seconds short of winning a sectional and likely going to LOS in 2A.  The second year, they were within a field goal of taking RCHS's place at LOS ... and RCHS took a 45-21 blue ring over Mater Dei that year.  The next year, 2015, LCC dropped down to 1A and picked up a blue ring going undefeated through 1A and the Hoosier Conference.  In 2016, they fell by a missed extra point to state-runner up Pioneer.  The next year, in 1A, they were handled by Pioneer 48-20 and didn't get out of 1A sectional.  The next season, 2018, they were completely mauled by Pioneer 70-7, at home, and again didn't make it out of the sectional.  2019 saw three losses to three 3A schools, but a thrilling 1A blue ring in a 29-28 come-from-behind-win against Lutheran.  2020 saw a complete drubbing at the hands of South Adams in 1A 42-9 who ended up getting a red ring at LOS that year after losing a 41-40 decision.  SF bumped LCC to 2A in 2021 where they secured a sectional before being bounced by old 1A foe Scecina 34-13 and ending with an 8-5 record.  This year, they picked up another 2A sectional before succumbing to Andrean 30-12 and ending the season at 9-4.  In the five seasons before LCC ended up in 2A for a second time, they faced three different 1A for their last game of the season.  In they won one of those file games and that was by one point.  They lost one by one point.  And lost the other three games, to a pair of public schools, by an average differential of over 40 points.

Again, kind of depends on the class and season.  In 2009 there was conjecture that LCC could have taken 3A.  In 2017 and 2018, they couldn't get out of sectionals in 1A.  In 2020 they kind of limped into semis and came out on crutches.  LCC will stay in 2A with its two sectionals and will play wherever the IHSAA sends them, but I think they are likely to probably end up seeing the bare minimum to stay in 2A for a few seasons to come with maybe a regional thrown in.  It will likely be a while before there's talk of LCC at the top of 2A like the potential that was there in 2013 and 2014.  Incidentally, Calpreps says this year LCC would be a 21-point underdog to AC, a 1-point underdog to North Decatur, a 1-point underdog to NJSP, and 25-point underdog to Lutheran.

Kinda skipped over the 4peat years...when a parochial winning 1A was the last straw.....  

13 minutes ago, MDAlum82 said:

Uncertain what you are trying to say here:  " but they could Gerrymander Sectionals for repeat offenders... that Some peeps want off their streets.... jus not in my back yard..... n on it gose...." but your concern seems to be with teams that have easier/more difficult sectional paths..but I may be missing something ...

Sectionals have always been geography based to a large extent to reduce travel times & distances, largely as a safety and financial consideration for the schools involved.  These are HIGH SCHOOLs we are talking about with limited budgets, resources.  Success in sectionals has always been a case of who "ur thrown in with" (SIC). At some point - Regionals, SS, etc. you have to play the better teams.  Would you propose teams from North of Indy play in in a sectional in southern/northern Indiana, 3-4 hours away to appease some sense of "fairness"?   

 

They are already making those type of placements...  the SF is a failure for those sueing for relief...  jmho

1 hour ago, MDAlum82 said:

So is LCC a wolf or a sheep?  Seem to be a wolf in 1A but more of a sheep in 2A.  Why is the SF a failure in your eyes?  How does gerrymandering address the issue(s)?

So let me ask u... is Chatrard a wolf or a sheep?  Seems to b a wolf in 3A but more of a sheep in 4A... 

15 minutes ago, MDAlum82 said:

So is LCC a wolf or a sheep?  Seem to be a wolf in 1A but more of a sheep in 2A.  Why is the SF a failure in your eyes?  How does gerrymandering address the issue(s)?

Ĺcc's current main competitor/predator w a pedigree is the Kings... then some others rising... not like they were thrown in w Andrean... like they did w Chatard and Dwenger...n b dropped back down to 1A.. Like Chatard like Dwenger... its jus Stupid.... Depends on what programs ur thrown in with.. Lcc will jus compete w whoever is in front of em...  and they did well enuff to stay up.... could they hav beat SA or Luth again... mayb... mayb not.... The IHSAA ain't gonna do anything anytime soon... it's how they roll..... but they could Gerrymander Sectionals for repeat offenders... that Some peeps want off their streets.... jus not in my back yard..... n on it gose....

When ther were 3 classes this prob didn't exist.... the public numbers buried the PPs ... but That wasn't good enuff..... Peeps want their cake and eat it too......

As Lysander said... putting Chatard w Roncoli pretty much guarantees Chatard will bounce back down... same w Dwenger and Snider..... the idea is.. should the wolves be separated out amongst the sheep ... where they have no natural predator.... then let the SF do its thing till an equlibium is reached.... jus looking at it from wildlife mgmt perspective.... 😄   Think the SF is a failure ... at least w regards to 1A 2A 3A....after that... numbers start to kick in for the publics and ur just left w Cathedral to deal with....

Here's the topic Lysander proposed. Can the Success Factor be improved by Gerrymandering Sectionals? 

Sec placements are exactly why Dwenger will b moving back down next yr having to deal w Snider... same as Chatard n Roncoli.... unlike LCC who will stay up... having no natural predators in the area....or ... untill some r re introduced.....

Boilers been doing pretty well in State of late...  Bell, Karlaftis Bros, Mockabee, Allen... Bowen woulda been NICE!

1 minute ago, 07_statechamp54 said:

Not arguing that at all and not blaming anyone or saying it’s “unfair” or anything of the sort. I was simply explaining why my previous post stated the Knights were “a lowly 2A team” when talking about Carroll. I came away from this more impressed with Andrean than anything. They absolutely imposed the will of Bowen on Luers. Special player ND is getting!

Would rather hav him wearing Old Gold n Black.... 😁

10 minutes ago, 07_statechamp54 said:

I am. My post was partly satire as most people see the Knights as just that but it partly wasn’t because they allowed 1 single player to beat them tonight. They knew coming in that that was Andreans only shot and still just got housed….as much as I would love to be optimistic, performances like that give me pause. On to next season Knights! Take this loss and use it as fuel for Championship run! 

Com On Man!.... u all member whats it like to hav a super star in 2A FB.... n now u know the rest of the story... 😊

Nice win for Carrol!!  N almost everyone was dissing Jeff....... Think Mitch Daniel's has billions of $$$ of new investments coming over the next 5-10yrs...  All of Tippy Co is on the Rise.....

5 hours ago, jets said:

Stated it earlier in this thread - but eventually the Miners will have to figure out the "MD Curse/Spell" or whatever it is you want to call it that they've had over them since our Sectional 40 days. 

Totally a shot out of left field as I haven't seen much of these 2 teams , but law of averages says Linton should eventually when one of these. Plus I don't think MD is what they were last year. Give me Linton by 2 scores. 

With that train of thout... never play Black Jack or Roulette.... Yes... it can hit Black.. and jus keep hitting it..over n over.... u pound a winning streak... n take a RR break when it cold.... jus saying....

Looks like the 50s mid 70s, 86, 13, 19 were ruff!!

1 hour ago, Staxawax said:

Old school here.........  1975 state 3A (biggest class) championship. Carmel at Valpo.  Temps were in the teens, wind chill up to -40.  It played a major part in grounding the Mark Herrmann air attack for Carmel.  Valpo won 14-13.

The Nov 70s were Brutal!! 

https://www.extremeweatherwatch.com/cities/indianapolis/month-november/lowest-temperatures

Mayb this jog a few memories

28 minutes ago, MDAlum82 said:

Correct.  LS went for it on a 4th & 2 right at midfield and came up short.  MD took the short field and put its final pts on the board with just 10 seconds left to go up 28 - 19.  Interestingly enough, the LS announcers were questioning the call, as there was so little time left in the half...they advocated for LS to punt MD deep, play D,  and run clock out to neuter MD's passing game which had been working well to that point.  Turned out to be prescient.  Wunderlich hit Luke McDurmon with a perfect strike on a wheel route down the left side of the field.  

Yeah.. good memory! ...the MD D was making it tuff on em that series... Def an aggressive call.... turns out... cost em the game.....

If I recall... a decision on.. going for it... on 4th down at around midfield was factor in a Linton loss to MD... giving MD a short field which they took advantage of and scored.  Will the Miners be mindful of field position this time around??

On 11/9/2022 at 1:49 PM, scarab527 said:

Did Jack Nicholson wear a uniform in The Shineing??  

1 hour ago, Spitting Llamas said:

I would assume that MD and Andrean both dropped based on the quality of opponents in their sectionals. I'm sure that is the issue with MD. We hit the running clock and call off the dogs. 

Yeah... but Laville was highly rated so thout I was missing sometin.....

SAG looks about right now as far as rating teams.... interesting that the recent rating strength vrs the predictive rating has fallen for most all but Luers... could it be indicative of who the State Champ will b?? Rough math looks like this.....

Andrean dropped 6pts...  Luers + 3pts ... Liptons - 8.5pts ..Madder Days - 13pts ....Triton flat ... Lcc dropped 3pts  

17 minutes ago, Wildcat1992 said:

Ridgemont High had Jefferson.  Rydell High had Danny Zucko🤣

🤣🤣🤣

12 minutes ago, dazed and confused said:

thought CoachD could use break ! 

but then again he did ask for it when he started it.......... Hell, now Im gonna join to make it even tougher for him !  thanks BNB !!!

Ther r no Cinderella's....  😆

4 minutes ago, dazed and confused said:

You ought to do like Nascar and cut the field to 12 !!!

Qualify for the playoffs???  🤣🤣

Lcc put up 21pts on WL in the 1st half.. goin tit for tat on scores..... then we're jus shut down in the 2nd half.... that makes me think they hav a shot in this one .... IF... .they can put up 28pts.. n b opportunistic on D..... but then thers Rydel Highs Jefferson to deal with.... idk how they will scheme to slow him dbut..... hope they can keep it close...