Impartial_Observer

I listened to a little of Joe Rogan's podcast with The Bern last night. It was interesting to listen to him in a format where he's not raving like a lunatic. I was a little disappointed in Joe's questioning, I was expecting a little more. The only thing he managed to get out of Bernie was he was going to create this utopia with a 1/4%-1/2% tax on Wall Street speculation trades. According to the radio this morning Bernie is polling about 8% at the Iowa State Fair Corn Poll, we'll behind the less bat$hit crazy candidates.

So in other words, no.

Have you read his manifesto? I contend the media took one component and ran with it. While I agree with the shooters not getting any pub in these situations, in this case when it's becoming so politicized, the manifesto should be made available to the public. It is very difficult to find.

Contrary to popular belief, I'm not the tin foil hat conspiracy guy. His death obviously should be investigated. He's dead and he was in US custody. I'm not ready to blame the Clinton's, Trump, Buckingham Palace, or the Russians. I would say suicide is not that uncommon in these types of situations.

Then prosecute. Many moons ago when my wife was on the teller line and our local immigration situation started, she said the tellers knew Hispanics were using counterfeit documents to cash checks. The banks policy was if they presented proper documentation to not question it, cash the check, and get them out the door. In talking to people in the construction trade in CA, SOP is stop in the morning and pick up however many workers you'll need for the day. Buy them lunch, pay them cash at the end of the day and drop them off where you picked them up. This is just how it's done. Illegal workers usually hang out where people will shop that are needing help, Home Depot, Lowes, U-Haul, lawn and garden centers. No argument from me, prosecute the people who hire illegals. We the citizens of the US are just as responsible for this issue as we are imports from Pacific rim countries and China, we want the cheapest possible products, and we don't care how we get them.

Yes they could get hurt, kidnapped.....I suppose it's possible they could be abducted by aliens (the outer space kind) as well. As I have often said, you can't protect your kids from life, ultimately it will kill them. After waiting in line for what seemed like hours at the pharmacy to pick up a script for my wife Saturday, and not being about to not overhear the customer in front of us and the discussion with the pharmacist over a Vitamin D supplement.....here's a thought, skip the supplement and just go outside and play.

Admittedly the optics look bad, and if they did in fact knowingly hire illegals offending parties need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. However locally there have been several arrests for illegally making SS cards and other documents used to verify legal workers. And this is one small town in southern Indiana.

I make judgment calls all the time. I get it.

You're probably right, but I see some R's showing signs of caving. Trump's a wild card when it comes to guns.

Not necessarily. 99 72 78 52 61 69 90 24 16 30 89 99 and 90 are both linemen, on the end of the line. They are eligible by position and number. It also states you can ONLY have four players in the backfield.

This is the issue I see. And I know I'm going to be accused of wearing a tin foil hat. In listening to those in favor of an "assault" weapons ban, the gist of it is they want all semi-auto guns banned when it all gets boiled down. If you question "what is an assault weapon" you're accused of getting in the weeds or arguing semantics. If the issue is pressed, even double action revolvers are semi-auto aren't they?

Bottom line, it's not your sandbox. They don't have to justify anything.

I'm sure this is a relief for most everyone.

Not a meme, but....

Not sure about numbers, we've had two schools cancel lower level games due to numbers. These are Frosh/C team.

Did you watch the entire video? While Christy is clearly not an expert, reloading mags didn't take much more time. I have no plans on doing a mass shooting any time soon, and I practice mag changes at least with handguns. I would ass-u-me someone with a mass shooting in mind would practice a little. So after the shooter has been hit with a chair and wrestled to the ground, granny grabbed his magazine. Article claims the shooter paused to reload his shotgun, I found no reference to a mag change. I don't even have to look at everytown to know what it says, it will be the opposite of the NRA's data. I understand how the market works. I'm not denying they will be hoarded and the price will go up exponentially. If passed on some arbitrary date millions of high capacity mag owners become criminals if they don't destroy their legally purchased magazines. Just as an assault weapon ban, there will be a rash of boating accidents. I was under the assumption that you we challenging that it required passing of a law to ban bump stocks. I'm not conflating anything. Have you read the Friedman or Heller decisions?

You tell me: As I stated, not necessarily an argument for or against. The main point I was making is on some arbitrary date, you either destroy your legally purchased magazines or you are a criminal. Who’s going to reimburse me for my investment if I’m forced to destroy them? Comparing mags to machine guns is laughable when you look at sheer numbers. And if we add in +10 mags for handguns the number grows exponentially. On two separate occasions the ATF deemed bump stocks legal in that they did not change the mechanical firing mechanism of the rifle. In 2018 the ATF amended the regulations. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/oct/06/national-rifle-association/nra-claim-obama-approved-bump-stocks/ https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/bump-stocks To the rest of it, sure the answer is always to limit liberties of law abiding citizens.

Sorry, posted wrong response and can not edit. You can find data available, but the topic is so distorted at this point, no one can even decide on what constitutes a mass shooting. If you listen to Moms their claim is mass shooting happen 13% of the time in gun free zones, you can find other studies that show mass shootings happen as much as 94% of the time. It's pointless to post any studies, half of the respondents will argue the source. My comment regarding states and posted properties refers to the fact that in some states if a property is posted as no weapons, and you are armed on said premises, there are some fairly stiff penalties. I believe in some locales it is a felony. In Indiana there's not really a penalty unless you are asked to leave and don't, you can be charged with criminal trespass which is a class A misdemeanor. Conceal carry solves a LOT of problems.

In Indiana, I interpret this: to mean no Berettas, and since I seldom carry a Beretta I’m good. I know people who’ve been asked to return their firearms to their vehicle at Simon properties.

Simon property, some states aren’t as forgiving about carrying on posted property as Indiana.

I can so top this, right here in downtown Seymour, if I'm ever quick enough with my camera.

This hits on several points of misinformation that is out there. This isn't necessarily an argument for or against just some comments: Limiting magazine capacity. It literally takes seconds to drop a mag and reload. I don't see this changing anything. If anything I would think smaller mags would increase lethality. Rounds tend to be heavy, the more you have the heavier they get. I believe I saw where one of the shooters was using a 100 round drum mag, have any of you ever actually held one of these things? I would think it's pretty worthless as far as hitting anything you're aiming at. I would assume in these active shooter situations it's just spray and pray, but it would still encumber movement and moving the muzzle around. I can even tell a noticeable difference between a 30 round mag and a 10 round in the weight. I've never tracked my accuracy between the two or if my accuracy has gone up as my mag is emptied. The other issue I see with magazine limits, what happens to the millions and millions that are already out there? Do they all become illegal at some arbitrary date, or are they grandfathered? You can get 30 round Magpul mags, decent mags for 11-13 bucks each, I can't imagine every AR owner doesn't own at least a half dozen of them. The last numbers I saw out of NJ's new law were they had had 0 high capacity mags turned in. Bump Stocks were just stupid to begin with. I don't know a serious shooter who had one. As we have mentioned before you can do the same thing with your belt loop and thumb. I believe they are currently illegal per ATF policy changes. By "conversion kits" I assume you mean to convert to full auto fire. It is currently illegal to possess such things, unless you have a tax stamp and a pre-86 gun. Armor piercing ammo.....not sure where to start. Pretty much ANY modern rifle round is going to penetrate standard issue kevlar vests. You are going to need to step up to 1/4" ballistic steel plate/ 1/2" ceramic armor to stop smaller caliber rifles, up to .308/AR-10. And up to 1/2" ballistic steel (which is too heavy to wear) or 3/4" Ceramic to stop .30-06. All of this is pretty irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Aside from the fact you're going to have to step up to Level III armor to stop the most common rounds used, AR-15/AK-47. I would assume SWAT probably uses plate armor, but the cops walking the street are not. Under current US law, "armor piercing bullets" only refer to hand gun rounds or rounds designed to be used primarily in handguns. Lastly in 2017, last year I could find stats, there were 10,795 murders by firearms. 403 were committed using a rifle, 264 with a shotgun. I have purposefully stayed away from this thread, mainly because they always go the same way. But from where I sit, gun violence seems to be a the symptom of a much bigger societal problem.