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I will admit that early in this topic when we were talking predictions for the conference I had no idea how much SR brings back....very impressive—counting HM, 9 All-Conference players. That is a lot of experience. Reid Schroeder (MVP)(RB, OLB), Caleb Kramer (Defensive captain)(TE, MLB), Luke Meyer (G, DE), Carter Harris (OLB, TE), Levi Neukam (QB, FS), Yamil Arroyo (RB, OLB), Blake Taylor (G, OLB), Myles Kerkhoff (RB, SS),Crew Gerber (Southridge)(G, NG).

Not sure but I think the below group contains any returning All-State players for the PAC: Sean DeLong (Gibson Southern) Tanner Boyd (Gibson Southern) Brody Klem (Gibson Southern) Braydon Durham (Heritage Hills)

I did this quickly so let me know if there are errors. PAC returning All-Conference Football Players: Pocket Athletic Conference Large School Division Boonville: Stihl Scott (OL), Marques Ballard (WR/DB) Gibson Southern: Tanner Boyd (Offensive captain), Teagan Baker (C), Jackson Adams (OL), Sean DeLong (RB/WR/OLB), Brody Klem (DL), Beau Rose (LB), Mason Scheller (DB) Heritage Hills: Seth Deom (K), Braydon Durham (LB), Jett Goldsberry (LB), Preston Coop (DB) Mount Vernon: Nicot Burnett (QB) Princeton: Hayden Gilmore (P) Washington: Ruben Gutierrez (OL) Honorable Mention: Nate Aldrich (Washington)(CB, WR), Jackson Clowers (Mount Vernon)(WR, OLB), Grant Doherty (Mount Vernon)(K), Brady Schickel (Mount Vernon)(DE, WR), Colton Lippe (Mount Vernon)(RB, OLB), Ethan Smith (Boonville)(RB, OLB) Pocket Athletic Conference Small School Division Forest Park: Reece Wolf (K), Tyler Fetter (DL), Jaxon Lueken (LB), Joel Bueltel (DB), Cade Bayer (P) North Posey: Liam Stone (Offensive captain), Caige Christie (C), Jackson Graff (CB, WR), Jed Galvin (At-Large), Gavin Myers (DL) Pike Central: All Graduated Southridge: Reid Schroeder (MVP)(RB, OLB), Caleb Kramer (Defensive captain)(TE, MLB), Luke Meyer (G, DE), Carter Harris (OLB, TE), Levi Neukam (QB, FS), Yamil Arroyo (RB, OLB), Blake Taylor (G, OLB), Myles Kerkhoff (RB, SS) South Spencer: Addison Barnett (G, DT), Isaac Wittman (OL), Kyle Olmstead (WR, CB) Tell City: Noah Terry (RB, SS), Kaiden Casebolt (LB, RB) Honorable Mention Trent Cail (Tell City)(RB), Kalob Egan (North Posey)(G), Jace Gauer (North Posey)(RB), Crew Gerber (Southridge)(G, NG), Kaleb Herke (North Posey)(K), Garin Kenney (South Spencer)(QB, CB), Caydan Leisman (Forest Park)(G, DE), Kaedyn Stewart (North Posey)(WR)

That is my understanding as well.

Was a tougher sectional than 32. You guys tell us every day how awesome Vincennes is. Too bad we were down 3 offensive linemen against OV.

These two teams looked really good for June.

Ran into Washington at Mamma Bears in Bloomington....they said they beat Vincennes at the IU 7 on 7.

That is correct. We had a frost/JV team in the small school one also.

Mooresville 7 on 7 Game 1 Titans Varsity 17 Lebanon 0. Game 2 Titan Varsity 39 Monrovia 0 Game 3 Titan Varsity 19 Tri-West 16 Tournament play after lunch. Titans Bye number 1 seed. Quarter Final Titan Varsity 22 Tri-West 7 Semi-Final Varsity Titans 22 South Dearborn 13 Varsity Championship Titans 13 Mooresville 16

It’s still on but it appears the organization piece might be lacking a bit.

Do we have a participant list or schedule yet?

THIS ^^^^^

I'm going to say it's close.

Trust me...it's not in the same universe as GS. All one has to do is walk through a lunch...down a hall...attend a Grand March. I would still make the case that MD and GS are very close in terms of effective enrollment. Again, very non-scientific and I understand the scrutiny such an opinion might bring, but it's the biggest factor and I believe most folks can see it. The homogeneity of any group/club/school/church where people chose or pay to be a part of it....is always far greater than the general population. It's just common sense unless you're the one lining your trophy case, then it is because of hard work and fantastic coaching.

It also sounds like many of the "commenters" here don't think sectionals should matter. What about a program that wins 5 or 6 or 13 sectionals in a row?

You and I have been making the same argument (for many years it would seem) but haven't been reading each other's posts. I was calling it "effective enrollment", but describing the same issue in the same way as you. I hadn't heard the term clearing house but it makes a lot of sense. My kids attend Gibson Southern and as it is a rural 3A school in an area with solid employment opportunities, therefore the number of "free and assisted" kids is low comparatively across the state. That isn't to say "free and assisted" kids are always the "never going to participate in anything" kids, but we all understand it is a factor. All of that said, GS is going to have better participation rates than a lot of public 3A schools. I have done a non-scientific poll with my 4 kids and they say it's anywhere from 15-30% of kids that would fall into the "don't participate in anything category". In my mind this is the biggest reason why enrollment-based classification doesn't work and why there is such a huge disparity in success for equally "enrolled" P/Ps. Folks will always take this argument into a ditch with feeder system analysis and recruiting talk etc. etc. That is all just noise. There are privates and publics who both do all of the little things well to make a program great....but when all things are equal the P/P has a HUGE advantage out of the gate given the enrollment type disparity that they don't like to talk about.

US31, tell me more about the "clearinghouse" method of counting athletes.

THIS! And.....GS has won 13 straight tennis sectional titles....what about that?

https://www.wevv.com/video/brady-allen-goes-one-on-one-with-44-sports-director-joe-downs/video_e6909e0e-f6eb-5cf7-918d-e06e442bacfb.html

Per Twitter, Gibson Southern’s Sean DeLong received an offer from Kentucky Wesleyan.

I have ESP. N

And you need to find that guy that said SR wouldn’t be very good…he/she/they is off their rocker lol.

You got me boss..I haven’t checked out this years modified schedule yet. Was going from memory on last years schedule. Week one sounds like a great matchup. That said, I would pick SR and HH to be better than MV.

I hope this doesn't sound harsh...but there isn't much historical evidence to believe in Vincennes or North for 2023...other than "dude" counting. I wish I had a burrito for every time the top programs in the SIAC or PAC beat the team that has a higher "dude" count than they have. I am really pulling for North....I hope they prove me wrong.