Bash Riprock

Question for you? Does every Heisman winning RB always lead the nation in rushing and TD's? Same for the Doak Walker award? Does every Heisman winning QB always lead the nation in passing yardage, passing TD's, etc.? Same for the Davey O'Brien award? Is it truly only about pure stats? If it were, it would make it very simple and it would take any guess out of the award. We could throw out different levels of competition, impact to the team, etc. Just stats....nothing else. Sounds a tad boring and also not an accurate assessment of the best player at the position...but to each his own. I am going to say this again...I think they are both terrific players that had terrific years. I have been disappointed before when it comes to awards. As I continue to age, I realize that awards don't define anyone and I bet both young men would give them up in a New York minute to wear that blue medal around their neck. Congratulations to both young men....they are both more than worthy of the award.

I think it less about me getting caught up in language than you obviously being upset about the outcome. Do it right? I didn't agree with the Yeast decision, but I also have some faith in people that dedicate themselves to this great game to cast votes that they believe in with a degree of solid basis. Are they as smart as you or I? Well, in my case, I would say they are. I'll let you decide about you for yourself.

Thanks...I do know the difference between the 2 awards. My point is that you were downplaying Yeast not winning Mr. Football and that's not right. The comment about Gatorade Player of the Year recognition illustrates he was more than deserving of the Mr. Indiana Football award. There is no need to compare, other than both decisions were disappointing for many. Period. One is not worse than the other. You and I have a different definition for the word "travesty". Not receiving an award doesn't fit my definition of travesty. If it fits yours, consider yourself very, very fortunate.

We shall absolutely agree to disagree with that comment. Yeast was named the Indiana Gatorade Player of the Year, but lost votes for Mr. Football (not position player) because he was a one year Indiana high school player...even though the award is for a senior year only. None of these are "travesties"....but downplaying one issue over another isn't right either.

I’m following…. But who got more free lunches?? That’s what really matters!!

Then consider more of criticizing the process....why does one have be the best at a given position to be considered the best OVERALL player in the state? I didn't agree with the Russ Yeast decision for Mr. Football a few years ago. Indiana Gatorade Player of the Year, but runner up to Mr. Football. Even though its supposed to be a senior award, Yeast being a one year player in the state really impacted voting. Why? I have no idea. Only the people that voted can tell you why they voted like they did

I’m not discussing awards vs any other player. Been down that road before. No matter the debate, nothing changes. I just don’t buy Roncalli is a .500 team without him. That’s all.

We agree the young man is an outstanding player. We don't agree that Roncalli is simply an average team without him.

Following the "best OL in the state"....not sure I buy that Roncalli has no other horses in the stable....that Hansen alone pulled in half of Roncalli's wins. Outstanding football player....but your comment would insinuate he put the team on his shoulders and carried them....yea....I am going to give Roncalli's roster and coaching staff more credit than your comment.

And the hits keep on coming…..

Bama lost 2 games...beat Texas by 1 (TCU beat them by 7), beat a 5-7 Texas A&M team only by 4 at home, and beat Ole Miss by 6. The game they lost to Tenn, Bama gave up 52 points. This was not one of Bama's finest years and I am just fine they are on the outside looking in. Had to chuckle at Saban's argument they won their last 3...yes it was their last 3 because they lost to LSU before to cap the streak at 3. Those 3 teams were Ole Miss (solid team), Auburn (bad year...they fired their coach) and Austin Peay (FCS school). That was not an impressive winning streak.

Coach, you going to be at the Oil Can tonight??

After last night, no one now. I think the BCS higher ups are hoping for a TCU loss so they can move Bama back into the 4. I think OSU now definitely in......Bama also if TCU loses

That would be a very unimpressive loss

Serious question....a Purdue upset could cost the Big 10 conference some serious cash if the result pushed Michigan out of the top 4. Is it safe to say, the big wigs in the Big 10 office are UM fans Saturday??

I am not sure college success is the validation for Mr. Football. After all, Kiser's main competition that year David Bell had a fantastic college career and is now in the NFL. Not sure about Top 5 college programs in America comment. I guess some years....not this one. If college careers were a validation of Mr. Football, Russ Yeast should really be pissed, being nudged out by a QB that only started a few games during their college career. Yeast, the recipient of the Gatorade Player of the Year in Indiana had a very good college career at Louisville and Kansas State, and is now playing for the Rams. Also earned his BS and MS degrees while in school.

Just funnin' with your coach....your vote, use it where you head guides you!!

Coach, Steele's work his senior year, and his entire career stood by itself in the MIC. I am seeing your connection to lineman...... you are really starting to answer your own questions? I don't think you need us anymore for a conversation!!

Agreed…Coyle’s performance in the semi-state at Cathedral…218 yds and 4 TD’s on a cold windy night was beyond impressive. Racked up a ton of yards against outstanding competition all season long.

"Putrid" offense.....good description....... https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nfl/news/troy-aikman-joe-buck-colts-offense-monday-night-football-beyonce/q9p5nynsporddn7rdjm4pota

I think they are just pacing themselves.......

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As you stated, your opinion. While they are different, they each off pros and cons. I may always prefer being there in person, but I don't always make the decision to do so.

As mentioned in a previous post, cost three of us to go live for one game $67. (via Ticketmaster and their fees) Could have streamed for a much lower cost to watch from home with replays and the ability to relax with a beverage or two. Cheaper food prices as well. Almost becoming an incentive to stay at home and watch. I am hoping the IHSAA is looking hard at this....perhaps the overall revenues are higher with the number of people buying the TV/streaming service. Not sure.