BTF

Yeah, if your a liberal, it's a significant development. Conservative opinions not welcome. I've read several of Ben Mezrich's books, and the movie that follows doesn't always follow script. But I will say, 'Accidental Billionaires' and 'The Social Network' are two in the same. Transformed our society for better or worse? Let's sit down for 8 hours when we both have time. I'd be more than happy to debate on behalf of the latter.

I actually read the book. One of the few movies that follows the true life story to script.

He's a thief if we're being honest with ourselves.

Still a dork, I don't judge a man by the size of his wallet. Great fathers are the true heroes of our society.

A social media platform that was stolen from other students at Harvard by some twerpy little dork.

Yep, sometimes it just happens that way. It's a good program for sure.

I get it.

Conservative values?

A region guy pulling for Center Grove? I think I'm feeling sick.

Alabama uses statistical data instead of throwing out random numbers..........imagine that. I like their system with Minnesota a close second. How about a combination of the two?

With an enrollment of 5000 students, the Greyhounds will ALWAYS be the favorite up north.

I've got my money on the Tigers. Regional title within the next three years. State representative within the next five? I think it's possible. Westfield doesn't have the north in their back pocket by any means.

The stat I found was for the 13-14' school year. I just figured that number was consistent with other years...........guess not

Coach Haydock made a state champion out of Harding (99.5% free lunch), so I don't see why any of those other coaches couldn't do the same at a Gary school. Coach Land took South Side to semi-state about a decade ago and lost to the eventual state champs by 7 points. They posted an 11-3 record that year. Free lunch rate currently is 55%, not sure what it was then. In all fairness, Harding is probably a better example relating to your question. Easier at a school sitting in an affluent community? Yes. I think you've made a good point on this forum regarding socioeconomic factors. No one ever discussed it until you brought it to the table.

You keep saying "we," but it's really more about Coach Moore than it is anything else. He's arguably the best coach in the state. He could do the same thing at Carroll or Homestead. I would say it's more of a Coach Moore thing than a community thing. It all starts with the coach. It's up to him to get the community invested. When Coach Moore retires, the football program won't be the same. Good maybe, but not the same. I have a lot of respect for Cathedral. Catholic kids just seem to play football at a different level for some reason. But a large reason for their success is their open border. I would compare Cathedral to a program like Carmel with an enrollment of 4000-5000. Of course coaching and culture play big factors. But you have to admit that large enrollments and open borders give yourself an advantage over other programs. There's no shame in admitting that you have certain advantages. When Coach Wright was at the helm at Warren or when Coach Dullaghan was at the helm at BD, they would be the first to admit that they had an enrollment advantage and access to some pretty darn good athletes. Great coaches, but they still had advantages.

Honestly, with 5000 students, anything less than a state championship in any sport should be considered a disappointment. Lol, I think you're right. Even with the population difference between the two states, Indiana's 8 doesn't compare to Florida's 33. That's an impressive number.

Might as well rank Indiana 6th. Per capita, Indiana obliterates California. If we had California's population, we'd have 47 kids in the Top 250 compared to the Sunshine state's 13.

Regardless, those are some wicked numbers for baskeball.......but that's nothing new. If we could just retain our in-state talent, IU, Purdue, ND, and Butler would be Top 25 programs on an annual basis.

With the construction of Shields Field, Snider is now the only team in Allen County without their own stadium............yet they bring in more football revenue to FWCS than any other team. Not sure how that makes sense. Regarding your "slippage" comment, the only thing slipping is enrollment numbers and white collar families. Last year was rough and the year before that was subpar, but they had some darn good teams the four years prior. State champs in 2015. Not sure how they weren't the state champs in 2016. Colossal meltdown against an inferior Carmel team in 2017. And a pretty decent team that lost to the Greyhounds by 17 points in 2018. Let's see what happens in 2021 and 2022 before we write them off as a slipping program. My early prediction for this year is a good matchup at semi-state between Snider and Zionsville. The winner of that will have their hands full though.

Is that because Jaylon Smith committed to Notre Dame when he was a sophmore/junior?

PM me and lets make a little wager on that. We can go as high as you want.

I normally fact check before I post. I concede to "last several years."

I'm not doubting that, it just seems like Cathedral is some how different now (last several years) than they were in the past (the preceding five decades).

Didn't realize that............thanks.

I'm not trying to ruffle feathers, just trying to figure out how a program (Center Grove and Cathedral) produces 10+ Division 1 football players. Certainly they don't breed better athletes in those neighborhoods than they do in other parts of the state.