BTF

1 minute ago, temptation said:

Which is dumb in a win or go home format.

Couldn't agree more.  

1 minute ago, temptation said:

That game alone keeps the narrative alive.  Shouldn’t need to motivate yourself to play a tournament game regardless of circumstances and should not need your best player to beat the HCC’s doormat team.

Agree and agree. Kids are still kids though, and part of that is on the coaching. I guarantee the Spartans didn't go into that game with the same motivation they went into their games against Snider or Dwenger that year. 

2 minutes ago, temptation said:

Nah, I just like busting your balls.  I respect the hell out of you but you need to choose your words more wisely.

A “near win” for Penn, a “rain storm” loss for Snider and a “boredom” OT win for Homestead are now on the record.

Lol, maybe I just like rumbling with you guys from Indy. What's the fun in getting along all the time? It's been too long since we've debated. 

4 hours ago, temptation said:

I know @BTF is tired of hearing it but I will cite the winless Noblesville/undefeated Homestead game until I’m in the grave.

You and I will be debating this in 2043. I'll cite that Homestead was without their top player and the rest of the team fell asleep on the 2 hour bus ride down knowing they had to play a winless team. Homestead wins that game ten times out of ten. 

1 minute ago, temptation said:

Rain storm huh?

Only rain when one team had the ball or on one side of the field?

Of course not. I'm just referencing the fact that Snider gave up a lead and the game could have gone in either direction. Have it your way Temp. Westfield was the DOMINANT team in 5a that year.  Is there a problem with Indy fans acknowledging that Central Indiana is dominant "most years?"

3 hours ago, Bash Riprock said:

Wow..first time I have ever heard the game described as a near Penn win.

Maybe I'm thinking of a different game. Wasn't it still undecided in the fourth quarter. You Indy guys crack me up. I mention one competitive game and you get all bent out of shape. 

5 hours ago, scarab527 said:

The last time a team from outside the Donut won the title in the highest class was Penn in 2000. While the North has produced good teams in that time span, let's not kid ourselves here. 

You said "largest classes" and "20 years." Largest classes includes class 5a. Snider won in 2015 and were a rain storm away from winning in 2016 as well. Penn was also locked in a close game in 2015 with Center Grove. Snider could have played with anyone in the state in 2004. So yeah, "most years." I get the overall message you're trying to convey though. Indy has been dominant. 

2 minutes ago, Slobberknocker said:

Center Grove In the past has brought the largest crowd and definitely would bring a lager crowed then Cathedral and I think Hamilton Southeastern would bring more than Carmel.

So, I think Center Grove (Going for three in a row) vs Hamilton Southeastern (Undefeated) would bring in the largest crowd.

Not Penn or Crown Point?

4 minutes ago, temptation said:

6 posts and posts 1 minute apart from “PirateFan”?

Come on…

I'll lay money they're not the same person. You can tell by their writing skills. 

5 minutes ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

Everyone always says Indy has dominated . Not True . There are a hand full of teams in the greater Indy metro area that are good every year .The other 100 Indy area schools get their butt kicked year in and year out , but you rarely hear anything about those losses . It's only when a team from the north loses that you hear the bias .  If your referring to the State Title game , then yes a team in the Indy metro area has dominated. 

Indy has 15 mega schools. Seven of those are going to have "up" seasons. Three of them are going to have "great" seasons. An "up" year + mega enrollment = good luck to the rest of the state. 

Just now, temptation said:

MW1971 has all the makings of another Cody burner account…

Lol, I'll give him more credit than Piratefan. I like his passion, but he's just speculating right now. We need to see how the tournament plays out. 

2 minutes ago, MW1971 said:

The Crown Point community is a magnet destination for people in Northwest Indiana and for those relocating from out of state.  The city is full of residents who used to live in Highland, Munster, Griffith, Schererville, Lowell, Hobart, etc. 

Merrillville is a closed community and no one moves there if they have other options.

CP will have loads of support if they make it downstate, just like they had in girls basketball and softball, and wrestling. 

Future looks bright, I'll give you that. 

3 minutes ago, scarab527 said:

The 'Indy bias' is justified seeing the dominance Indy has had over the largest classes for the past 20 years. 

Most years. Otherwise, great post.

7 minutes ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

I'll give you an example of the typical Indy area fans bias . Penn loses to Cathedral by 14 this year. (Indy fan)Penn will never win another state title and can't compete . I thought the game was very competitive .  Center Grove loses to Cathedral by 11 .(Indy fan) I pick Center grove to avenge the loss and win state . Boy that 3 points really changes things . 

You've got a point there. Now we just need Penn to step up this year and take state............or at least make a good impression at Lucas. Indy has dominated 6A since it's inception with the exception of Penn's near win over Center Grove in 2015. Temp pisses me off when he says "show me." But he's right. 

4 minutes ago, MW1971 said:

I dont think its a reach to say that CP has the best overall coaching staff in the state.  I truly do not believe that any other staff in Indiana could have accomplished what Buzea and his staff have in such a short time. 

You are spot on with your coaching statement.  I think CP will roll over anyone from the true North and will get a chance to show what theyve got against HSE or Carmel in the semistate.  That is the game that I most look forward to.  A trip to LOS would be icing on the cake

Both of your comments in bold are speculation. I think there are 10-20 programs that could claim "best coaching in state." There's just no way to tell for sure. I agree that Crown Point is capable of beating anyone in the north. But I'd bet a large amount of money that they wouldn't "roll" Carroll, Snider, or Penn. 

4 minutes ago, MW1971 said:

One can be both biased and truthful.  You've proven that with your rankings throughout the season.

Clearly, you expect them to go down at semistate.  Thats certainly your prerogative.

6A may be deeper this year but clearly it is down with no dominant teams and fewer high end athletes.

Merrillville's past failing have nothing to do with Crown Point's current and future success.  One Region Hillbilly's opinions and posturing are not an accurate reflection on the area as a whole. 

It's good to see a passionate fan base out of the northwest. Keep it up. But I don't recall anyone comparing Crown Point to Merrillville. Coaching can take a program to a whole new level and CP is seeing that this year. I don't think you can blame anyone for thinking HSE, Carmel, Carroll, or Penn are capable of taking Crown Point down. Those are all good football programs. Crown Point will have their opportunity to prove the naysayers wrong. But right now everything is speculation. We're all looking forward to a very exciting 6A North this year. 

47 minutes ago, MW1971 said:

Crown Point has had an historic regular season under Coach Craig Buzea and is completely overlooked and underappreciated in this central Indiana biased analysis.

Buzea and his staff have exceeded all expectations and in Year 2, have a football team that is capable of making a run all the way to the 6A title game.

With 6-5, 330LB Aiden Duerig and 6-5, 285LB Jackson Ruess anchoring a huge Bulldog OL, CP has bullied everyone this year in The Duneland Conference and will continue to do so in the post season tournament.

The Dawgs look a lot like the better teams in The HCC, specifically Zionsville over the past few seasons and HSE this year.  Big, aggressive, precise and error free . 

Central Indiana 6A football is down this year and without a dominant team like it has had in the past.  Crown Point's timing is perfect.

 

I agree that Crown Point is having one heck of a season, but the Indy bias is just and fair until a northern team proves otherwise. I'm pulling for Carroll, Penn, or Crown Point to prove the "Indy bias" wrong this year. 

1 hour ago, temptation said:

I kinda think they are bored with winning.

You could very well be correct. For the size of the school and the community, the crowd they've brought to the last few Snider games have been less than impressive. But I've noticed that across the board and the internet may have something to do with that. I remember back when Snider and Penn would bring 2500 fans to a game two hours away. That's just not the case anymore. I always felt Merrillville had a loyal fan base who travels well. If Merrillville were to travel to Snider or North Side this year, I wouldn't be surprised if they brought 1500 plus. 

4 hours ago, temptation said:

Maybe I’m over analyzing it as I have not seen either team in person but it was a 2 point game AT Snider in week 1…both lost close ones to Carroll but Sagarin has them 17 points apart despite playing the same schedule?

Gotta pick some upsets somewhere.

Snider waxed Homestead and Dwenger whereas North Side did not. That's probably the reason for Snider's higher Sagarin rating. The Legends take their game to a whole new level when playing Snider. I would argue that Snider is North Side's number one rival being bordering neighborhoods. No matter the records, when these two play, either Snider puts their best foot forward or they lose.............that simple. 

3 hours ago, scarab527 said:

Luers is a contender imo. I could easily see them getting to at least semi-state. 

Eastside is a thorn in Luers side, so getting out of sectionals will be a chore.  But I'm looking forward to seeing how the Knights do against schools their size for a change. 

Yes, great write up Temp. You provide good content to this forum. 

11 minutes ago, temptation said:

The poll will extend into the postseason.  They’ll get their shot against the sectional 28 winner to prove me wrong and even a close loss validates your skepticism.

Their loss against Columbia City (who was also fringe top 50 all season) didn’t help their cause.

 

Valid. Small town schools have the opportunity to gain their respect in the tournament. 

20 minutes ago, temptation said:

I slept on them a bit in my weekly poll.  Their SOS was a limiting factor but actually better than I had though when I went back and looked.

I think they are borderline top 50.

Ouch. 

20 minutes ago, temptation said:

Hell, taking it a step farther you could make a case that teams like Ben Davis, Brownsburg, Carmel, Westfield, Carroll and Penn could just as easily lose in game 1 as make it to the state title game.

I still wanna say Carroll and Crown point are a step behind the Indy schools. We'll find out when Hamilton Southeastern rolls in at semi-state. We already know Penn and Jefferson are a step behind............both multi touchdown victims to Cathedral. Although Penn was scary close for three quarters. 

9 minutes ago, temptation said:

Whiteland is legit but they are another team that could just as easily lose in game 1 as make it to Thanksgiving weekend.

Franklin is no slouch.

No one up north really knew who Hamilton Southeastern was until 2005. Are we seeing the same thing with Franklin? Whiteland?

2 minutes ago, JQWL said:

I think the issue is, as an earlier post mentioned, the reason would be to give some more value to regular season games. Well if a team can go 0-9, then what was the value?

In Luers case, the value is playing larger schools that get them battle tested for the tournament. Take this years team for instance. They sit at 4-5 but are probably one of the best 5 teams in 2a.