Lysander

That was DT’s list of traits/values associated with the “P/P mentality”......NOT the type of kids that go to a P/P. With the exception of his mention of faith/religion (possibly including it), his “P/P mentality” list could be applied to a bunch of solid public programs (New Pal, East Central, CE, Lawrenceburg, HH, GS, SR.........I could go on and on) that show up every year at this time of the year. Its nothing more than the traditional values/traits we have historically attributed to any great program in any sport. It’s not isolated solely to P/Ps (if it is, then HS sports is in a world of hurt). I didn’t call out DT at the time even I thought it was a BS distinction and an insult to good public programs. Where is DT anyway? Figured this would be catnip to him.

Ok. Cool. I’m down with that.

GO, I read this back when you originally posted it and in rereading it again, it remains probably the most thoughtful post I have ever seen on the matter.

Honestly, it’s time to fess up. You’re some kid at Chatard bored in computer class (don’t know if they actually have a computer class at Chatard since that would cost $$....maybe a Cathedral kid, then) having some fun at my expense. Seriously, time to be honest.

Oops, sorry....definitely too subtle for me. That said, I DO think there are advantages though, I have always admitted that. As George Orwell here has pointed out, the Success Factor has kind of tamped down all of those old conversations/discussions.

Hell yes! I’ve always said there are advantages. Just not the ones generally cited. Many of the advantages are the same as you would have found 30-40 years ago in small town schools. Changing times have, to a degree, left us with the P/Ps as analogues of those small towns. Multi-generational kids (good athletes go to college, return “home” and the next generation starts all over), involved parents who keep an eye and their kids...and yours, community and generational pride, respect for coaches, etc. Part of the reason I respect places like HH and GS is because they fit that very model....but even then it’s hard because so many kids once they leave home just don’t come back. In my case, I never went back because there wasn’t much work for gigolos in Franklin County.

You truly have a gift. Nicely stated.

I expect a good game. BTW, that 2016 Concordia team was a monster and doesn’t get enough credit historically. It embarrassed a lot of quality 3A teams.

I have a lot tied up in vehicles. (the picture that keeps on giving......)

I may have to put this up for a car vote on the way. Either way, I am appreciative of all the recommendations.

Suggest you get that “tailgate” invite. Once there, be sure to hold your pinkie finger out after you fill up at the champagne fountain. Talk about your home on Geist a lot........and your vacation place on Sanibel. Gotta bring up Sanibel.... You’ll fit right in (these tips work at HSE gatherings also). Feel free to PM me for any other social tips.

$400/hour for consulting. Gotta pay that tuition.

Even worse......Metamora. I had to sneak into the Ville before the sun came up.

Nice job there.

Every other year in HS football, I would be on the field in Greyhound green and white to receive a Tiger butt-kicking. Even so, it’s a special place. Dick Meador was prowling the sidelines then rather than being the namesake. Two great traditions playing at a classic venue.this weekend. Saturday, huh? I may have to ask my better half permission to attend. She used to be on the sidelines back in those days, as well, in her green and white Greyhound cheerleader uniform. Back in the Jurassic era.

A word of advice to Mooresville. For the love of God and all that is holy, don’t, DON’T drive down to Enlow and play on a Friday!

All the above suggested options sound good (Thanks guys) but, honestly, if I can get great breaded tenderloin AND a bowl of good chili then I’m probably sold. So how’s the chili at the Acme?

Any recommendation for good eats pregame? It’s been a few years but I ate at a great place downtown called “Club Soda”. Might be too nice for some of the rowdies I may have tagging along, though (if it’s still around). I’m trying to get my priorities straight.

Dunno. I’ve only been to one field in Ft Wayne (Chatard v. Dwenger in 2012) think it was “Zollner”(sp?)? Been to Homestead a few times for other sports. Nice facility. That’s about all I know of Ft. Wayne area facilities.

The red zone stands are part of what football games are all about....kind of defining. Chatard DOES that.....they did it to West Lafayette in the red zone Friday night. How getting stuffed in the red zone several times makes a case for a “possible” resounding victory is a bit of a stretch. You could also make the case if Chatard doesn’t completely give up the unpressured pitch-toss turnover first play of the half AND the onside kick after the score caused by the turnover it’s a completely different game with 14 immediate points off the board for Cathedral. That turnover was critical....leading to 2 quick scores in a game that had been going Chatard’s way. It’s all “ifs and buts”....God knows I don’t want to get into what I saw to be all the multiple, multiple phantom offsides calls that continually stalled Chatard drives (even though the WHMB TV 40 announcers certainly had no problem commenting on not being able to see them). That’s the problem of recasting the game.....by either side. We can all do it. The result is we take nothing away from the game.....and, frankly, diminish it. That said, I’m done here....got no dog in this hunt and don’t want to be a distraction.

Bishop Chatard 11-1 (Sagarin No. 1 in 3A/Sagarin No.4 All Classes with a 98.17 Strength Rating) Concordia Lutheran 7-5 (Sagarin No. 7 in 3A/Sagarin No. 66 All Classes with a 67.92 Strength Rating) Date: Nov. 15 Time: 7:00 PM CST Location: Fort Wayne (not sure which field) Thats all I got. Have at it.

Just a quick close out. Kyle Adams is the real deal. I’ve certainly not seen every QB in Indiana HS football this year but I have seen more than a few...and its hard for me to imagine there are many better ones. I was shocked to find out he actually passed for over 300 yards since it seemed he had the ball so few times. Karlaftis showed up prominently on offense but didn’t seem to be as dominating a presence on defense as expected. Fairly certain that had to do with Chatard’s game plan of just pounding it up the middle rather than work the edges where Karlaftis prowled. Honestly feel like the Chatard staff should send Tom Dilley and company a “thank you” for showing them a winning game plan. It seemed as if Chatard took Guerin’s game plan and never waivered. 430 yards rushing with maintaining possession 75% of the game time. Only 6 passes all night by Chatard (which normally throws about 50% of the time). As exceptional as Taylor and his backfield compatriots are (and he is exceptional) this game emphasized a long standing point of pride about Chatard. It is a school for lineman. Lots of great players have come through Chatard over the years but there have been a lot more linemen playing on Saturdays and a few on Sundays. Chatard is long known for the linemen it produces (especially O lineman) and this game was, frankly, a showcase for them. Congrats to West Lafayette on a great season....that said, I still think it’s ridiculous that these teams all got loaded into the same Sectional. I really feel like WL, Guerin and Brebeuf should all still be practicing.

King, Your a good dude (strongly disagree with Temptation on this) but your quote in “Top 15 Regardless of Class (Mid-Season)” on September 24 was: ”Pains me to do it but I think you guys have a great team and were probably the better team in defeat a few weeks ago. Outside a blown coverage on 3rd and 22 that resulted in an 88 yard TD pass then another long run to seal the game (2 plays accounted for more than half of Cathedral’s output for the game), you guys dominated the LOS despite being outweighed 40-50 lbs a man. Was the only time this year I’ve seen Cathedral struggle to move the ball and that’s with playing X and Elder on the road where the Irish moved the ball at will.” Those were your words then....arguably, they might not be mutually exclusive from your most recent comments BUT they certainly have a different tone and would seem a recasting of the game. I left that game thinking the same as your comments on September 23. Now, some (hopefully not you....hopefully) are trying to TOTALLY recast that game. Still, a loss is a loss. I’m accepting of that, but I am not cool with how that game actually played out being rewritten by some lunatic Troll. I am not saying that Calpreps/MaxPreps and Sagarin are the be all and end all but they are probably better than the Cathedral Troll you seem to be lining up beside. Right now (11/10/19), CALPREPS has the top 10 ALL CLASSES in Indiana as the following: 1. Cathedral (#73 Nationally) 2. Chatard (#103 Nationally) 3. Avon (#126 Nationally) 4. New Palestine (#159 Nationally) 5. Carmel (#167 Nationally) Cathedral’s biggest win against a nationally ranked team this years wasn’t Trinity (#153 Nationally) or Center Grove (#316 Nationally). It was against #103 Chatard. It was a close hard fought game. There is one thing it ABSOLUTELY wasn’t - a dominating win by Cathedral. Just the opposite. If New Pal wins then my guess is CalPreps is in for a big shake up and no doubt New Pal will vault to No. 1 in Indiana. Right now, SAGARIN has the Top 10 ALL CLASSES in Indiana as the following : 1. Avon 102.92 2. Brownsburg 100.84 3. Carmel 100.48 4. Bishop Chatard 98.17 (No. 4 Predictor as well) 5. Warren Central 97.45 6. New Palestine 96.41 7. Indianapolis Cathedral 96.38 8. Center Grove 96.05 9. Ben Davis 95.71 10. HSE 94.62 All these teams are within a hair of one another. Anybody wins on any given day. It’s tiresome for me (and really EVERYBODY) to hear Cathedral chest thumping.....not that the rest of us are unused to it. Again, not necessarily accusing you of it but it seems to feel that you are going that way. If one of the few reasonable folks from Cathedral is good with a troll in your midst, then the idiots will take over on this thread. Not that I care that much....it’s your guys thread. Still, some advice, if people are going to talk about this upcoming game realistically then it would be best if history is not rewritten regarding prior games.

Terribly, terribly sorry to hear about this. An awful tragedy.