Lysander

I think that’s the case. Lets be honest. More than a few of us here have talked about how 4A was weaker at the top than 3A was at the top the last few years. You might not have been one but I know some were from Memorial. I certainly said it (and still believe it). There are a variety of reasons for that (I believe) having, in part, to do with (a) a run of some exceptionally good teams in 3A; (b) the move into 5A of certain perennial 4A powers and new powers (Columbus East, Cathedral, New Pal, Dwenger..) and (c) some temporary(?) declines in certain teams that had some fairly long runs as exceptionally great teams (ex. Reitz, Roncalli).. All of those factors coming together resulted (in my opinion) in, at least, the top 2-3 teams in 3A being better than the top teams in 4A. It might well only be a temporary thing. Unfortunately, only Memorial actually clawed their way out of 3A and has to prove the premise. Admittedly, it may have only been a truth those 2-3 years. Still, I wish like Hell Chatard had made it stick originally...or could trade places with you guys as far as being in 4A. At that time, it required 4 points which should have been doable except for New Pal and Columbus East barring the way as they notched themselves up to higher levels. Add that a slightly down Chatard team was upset in Sectional (blown out) by a Roncalli team they had beaten earlier that year. Water under the bridge.... But yes, my understanding is that if you win Friday, you have 3 more years in 4A. In a perfect world (if you win Friday), I hope you have some 3A company in a couple of years.

Yeah.....that’s the troubling part. The kids that follow pay for the success of those before them. I think the 2 points were the IHSAA’s “response” to the 4 years proposed by the IFCA. Less points needed but only 2 years. But even 2 years can be problematic. I used to kind of debate Coach G (good guy) who effectively put forth the IFCA program on this and my position was that the intent of the Success Factor was to keep the peace but in doing so it was actually (and quite intentionally) targeted at a handful of P&Ps. My arguments was just to move ALL P&Ps up a class and be done with it. Forget multipliers. That said, I’d be the first to admit that I just wanted to see Chatard play in 4A. For all that, it seems to be working but the law of unintended consequences (at a variety of levels) has clearly resulted. That said, some teams see “playing up” as a point of pride and I think that’s probably a good thing as regards improving quality but it still actually hurts those schools that just happen to have that 1 or 2 freakishly great classes and then the school reverts to form. No great solutions....just compromises..

PBJ - That’s not what I’ve been told. I’ve heard you spend a lot of time down at Mar-A-Lago hanging out with your buddy playing golf and partying.

Right now, if I am reading the correct document from the IHSAA it currently only takes 2 points in 2 years to stay up these days. If that is correct, then a single Regional or 2 Sectional Championships over the 2 year period will keep you up a class. Someone more in the know might want to confirm that.

“Doing more with less”..... Sorry....done here.....just couldn’t contain it.

Heh, with regard to the one “situation” I can just about guarantee that my little angel was no angel. I never really quite knew whether to believe the story I heard from the chain gang until I noticed your guy had a different helmet on the rest of the game. It was confirmed to me later by a coach. Still surprised they both didn’t get caught. No doubt the Statute of Limitations have run out for that game. Just a couple of years later there was absolutely no bad blood in that State Championship game between the teams from what I could tell. Oh well....days gone by....back to 4A.

Definitely remember the HH game the week before. My home was robbed in the middle of the day THAT day....while my youngest (8th grader) was at home sick (Kid keeps a baseball bat under his bed to this very day). The following week there was a certain 63 yd TD called back in the Creek game that struck a little close to home as well. Same kid that “became friendly” with HH’s #13/23(?) the week prior. It caused a little stir at the time. Coolest thing, though, about that HH game was talking to Bud Wright and the Sheridan crew in the end zone for about 30 minutes prior to the game. Class guy.

He actually lost in SemiState in ‘10 while at Indian Creek. He had a quality team. My personal opinion is that it was good enough to win at LOS if he had made it past that Semistate game. He had some real studs on that team.

Joseph?

It’s Kipling bro.

No kids currently in HS (or even college these days) so I don’t know what tuition is currently but my guess is that there is a $2,000.00 (or thereabouts) discount for North Deanery Parishioners from that Bishop Chatard number. That’s how it used to be. Still not certain if the point was being made in a prior post that teachers were paid more at parochials (or if the opposite was being said). Parochials, unfortunately, are not generally known for their great pay. Neither do they usually have facilities that compare favorably to public schools (Chatard just got a home field after almost 60 years). No sushi or Starbucks at parochials, either. Fish on Fridays, though....

No problem. I just wasn’t following. Did you mean teacher pay was more or less in public schools? I just wasn’t sure which you meant. Also, I wasn’t sure where or what the diocese was with the golden shiny thing and the reference to the “bishopric”. I just wasn’t clear on the references. Apologies....I’m just not clear.

Sorry, not following any of this.

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Makes a difference......from bitter experience.

Going with Webo. The improvement at HC is really very impressive (and they are ostensibly members of the CCC although they only play Guerin) and the Scecina win surprised me but I still have to go with the defending champs.

Let me know if I need to send Uber money to Screagle and some others if the ocean parts and Memorial “somehow” wins (as well as Roncalli). I’m assuming he will have bet the farm on Mooresville since it’s a sure bet and he’ll no doubt need a lift....and the farm.

Yes. But then, that’s almost always been the case. Lots of standouts over the years - only so many that can be nominated each year.

Public Service Announcement.....leave the wives and girlfriends at home Friday night....if you want them to return.

I’ll be sporting furs.

I stand corrected. Monster upset......literally tournament changing. Honestly, just never thought a Zionsville team could pull off that type of upset.

I don’t agree it’s lackluster (I enjoy the tournament like kids enjoy Christmas - just because it exists) but I do generally agree about your other points. It would certainly be refreshing to see a State Champion in the top 2 classes come out of North Central or Northwest Indiana (and I don’t mean this as a “dig”, I am serious). Ft. Wayne has already represented well for Northeast Indiana. That said, enjoy Florida. I am digging out of snow.

I’ll make sure to wear my chaps underneath my layers.

Semistate: New Prairie v. East Noble Roncalli v.Memorial State: New Prairie v. Memorial Champion: Dunno

Most things in general about Chatard are unchanged except the offense which is probably 50/50 Run/Pass vs 100% run. If you’ve never seen Chatard its always started with great line play (offense and defense). They will block all the way down the field and through the “penumbra” of the whistle (Bobref might get a kick out of that description). Great line play but doesn’t mean they will all be huge, Solid skill players. Their feature back and receiver are extraordinary. Really good defense that pursues and tackles in a gang. Again, not huge. Great special teams. At the top of their game, they are a lot of fun to watch on both offense and defense. They will generally leave some bumps and bruises.