Lysander

I honestly don’t really have much insight. Rob coached the Freshman team for many years at Chatard and was well thought of by all. Coached both my kids at Freshman level. He was a QB at Andrean and at Depauw. Think he is in the Hall of Fame at both schools. Today he is an attorney - actually moved his practice to north Indy in part to be closer to the school.

Chatard's current Head Coach since 2017 has been a lay coach.

Not looking to insert myself into an internecine disagreement but Snider has been competitive well within the last 15-20 years in 6A. 2017 – Carmel defeats Snider 22-21 in Regional (Carmel loses to Penn in Semistate) 2012 – Snider makes it to the State Championship in 5A (still basically 6A at that time) and loses to Lawrence Central 2009 – Carmel defeats Snider 10-7 in Regional (Carmel loses to WC in 2OTs at LOS) 2008 – Carmel defeats Snider 24-21 in Regional (Carmel loses to Center Grove by 3 at LOS) For 5 years (2013-16) Snider was in 5A so didn’t have a chance to play Carmel. That said, I think teams should likely play in their class as defined by student population – so Snider should play in 5A. Even so, Snider has been competitive against Carmel – but it wasn’t just 15-20 years ago. Snider made it to State in the equivalent of 6A (then 5A) just 7 seasons ago.

Not sure where y'all are going with this...not sure I am following. No one is denying the excellence of New Pal these last few years or the long term greatness of Snider. Historically (I have said this 1,000 times), I felt for many years that the best classes pound for pound were 2A and 4A (prior to the expansion to 6A). 5A initially was fairly weak (Snider had a couple of down years about then). Then some 4A teams (maybe just one - Cathedral) moved up to populate 5A. Since then, it has changed with 3A becoming a stud class (which it had not been historically) with both 2A and 4A weaker. 4A for a few years has been pretty weak (since all the great 4A teams were now in 5A)- almost as weak as 5A in the beginning. Probably the greatest (certainly the most entertaining) State Championship game I ever saw was New Pal v. Snider. Last year's Evansville Memorial v. West Lafayette game was pretty amazing too. No one is denying just how good New Pal and Snider have been these last few years....and I certainly don't forget how many years Snider provided Carmel their toughest playoff game on the way to LOS.

I'm all in for Edinburgh this year. Bought my "Shake Weight" there. Best fitness device ever. You should see my forearms.

Thanks Irishman. Coach Shine said the prayer at the funeral. My guess is that so long as he lives only he can lead that prayer at Bishop Chatard. When asked a few days earlier, Coach L simply stated that Coach Shine “says the prayer”. My wife and I grew up in Southeast Indiana but our work life took us to Indy many years ago. As the Catholic in the family she chose Bishop Chatard and the boys and I followed. It’s a choice I have never regretted. At the football banquets every year when they ask all who have played for Bishop Chatard to step forward and then a prayer is said I choke up a bit. The number of men standing is a long, long blue line going back over 50 years. My wife and I have often looked at one another and mutually said that we could have only wished to be able to stand at an event like this. We take solace in the fact our sons can stand.

A belated reference to his passing. James Edward “JDub” Warren passed away on February 22, 2019. He was a Senior at Indiana State University when he was first diagnosed with Stage 4 Melanoma in September. He took part in 2 State Championship teams as a Lineman. He could have played in college but chose not to do so. Knowing him, he was just a wonderful kid who had a laugh for everyone…yet he was so much more than that. It’s not my place to speak as to just how special he was..…or how hard he fought and how much his Mother and Father loved him…and fought with him, as well, until the end. For those outside of the Chatard Community, I don’t think you will understand just how much so many people gathered round his family and just what they did. He was a special kid. As all in the football community here are…and those outside as well. Chris Ballard (GM of the Indianapolis Colts) and Frank Reich (Indianapolis Colts) spent time at his bedside. Frank Reich even came back a couple of days later and prayed with him for an hour at his bedside. “JDub” wrote a letter to his friends and another to his mother in the sad anticipation of his passing. It was printed at the funeral but I will not post it here. It was inspirational and, yet, broke me to tears. He cared so much for those of us yet living. Perhaps the most seminal part of the funeral was when a coach and so many players there said the Chatard Prayer as they do before each game. The prayer is not so much about victory as it is to bless all those on the field. It was one of the most touching events I have seen in my life. This is a kid I knew. A special kid. https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/indystar/obituary.aspx?pid=191654380

Howard the Duck. Best buds with Man-Thing in Silver Age Marvel Lamest movie of all time...kind of like this thread.

Be a “homer” as long as you can - you still have kids on the field. I’m envious.

Thought it would best reflect my "welcoming" personality....

I stand corrected.

Until such time as the whole Mr. Football “thing” really gives serious and legitimate consideration to lineman it’s, as often as not, a glorified skilled position player popularity contest. Personally, I think Bell is probably a better talent BUT Notre Dame didn’t....they chose Kiser. My guess is that they know a helluva better than I do. Until Purdue (whom I love) is spoken in the same breath as Notre Dame (whom I.....well....don’t love....I was going to make some snide comment about loving them like I love venereal disease but I won’t do that) then I think Notre Dame’s opinion trumps mine. That said, I’ve just never cared one way or the other about Mr. Football. Amazes me all the heartburn it causes folks.

Never watched "Watersports" (or whatever it was called) but I do know it was the late great Jerry Reed's last time on the big screen.

Took me a while but I finally made bail.