Footballking16

Cathedral is better this year than they were last year and beat Westfield by 5 TD's. And it wasn't that close either

Believe O'Neil saw a couple series in this game last year as a freshman. McCahill was out a series with some cramps and O'Neil played the last few series in a blowout win. I think Westfield is going to struggle scoring. Going to have to force a ton of turnovers and limit big plays to keep this one close. I have the Irish 38-10.

Just count your blessings that Chatard is 4A this year.

Put Carmel South permanently and the problem is solved Name the school of 1800 that plays the school of 5000 (Carmel)?

Put Souhthport, CN, and LC in a sectional w Cathedral and/or Roncalli. Tell me how it gets more interesting? Chesterton w Valpo? I’m waiting.

Does 5A need changed? I thought we already changed 5A with the implementation of a 6th class. No? And to be fair it doesn't sound like you're trying to change 5A, it sounds like you want to change the fortunes of a handful of schools. Big difference.

I don't care about Columbus North or Merrillville one way or the other. But moving either of those schools out of 6A does nothing to change the dynamics of 6A.

Is 6A any less boring if the 8 smallest enrollment teams are moved to 5A?

It's exactly what it is. Just come out and say you want Carmel, Center Grove, Ben Davis, and Warren in their own 4 team division. Don't dance around it and dress it up as a mega-enrollment issue. Half the mega-enrollment schools, when it comes to football at least, aren't worth a salt.

You keep citing a scenario that doesn't come into play? Of the 8 the smallest schools in 6A, how many of them consistently have their seasons ended by schools with double their enrollment? Only on rare instances is that the case because the 8 smallest schools in 6A aren't good enough to advance out of their sectional against teams with like-size enrollments to begin with. When it comes to a team like Columbus North or Warsaw, it's irrelevant that they play in a tournament with Carmel or Ben Davis because Columbus North can't beat CG or Franklin Central and Warsaw can't beat Carroll or Homestead in their respective sectionals. If Columbus North or Warsaw were routinely making it to SS and losing to schools with twice their enrollment then you'd might have a leg to stand on. But there's absolutely no earthly rhyme or reason why a school like Columbus North or Warsaw should be moved down a class because they can't beat times that have similar enrollments to them.

I haven't. Last time I checked Noblesville and Lake Central have terrible football teams and HSE and Fishers are pretty decidedly average given their enrollment disparity among some of their peers. They all seem to be missing that one "It" factor though.....hmmm.

Non-sequitur. The teams that have 2,000 students aren't losing to the mega-school enrollments with 4,000 students. The teams with 2000-2500 students (namely from the north) are losing to teams with 2500-2800 students in the sectional rounds. It's a non-issue. Columbus North can't complain about playing in a tournament with schools like Ben Davis or Warren because they aren't good enough to make it that far. They can't beat schools like Center Grove and Franklin Central in their own sectional with like-size enrollments. The whole premise of the argument is flawed. 6A doesn't have a mega-enrollment problem. Half of the mega-enrollment schools are average to just downright bad. 6A has a Carmel, Center Grove, Warren, and Ben Davis problem. Nothing more, nothing less. Moving the 8 smallest schools to 5A doesn't solve that problem.

I'm saying that is an alternative to the 24 team playoff. 6A is fine as is and doesn't need tweaked for the betterment of 8 teams on the premise of an enrollment disadvantaged.

Because teams that go 0-9, 1-8 don't deserve to be in a tournament that crowns a state champion in the first place. But that is for a different time and thread.

If you only need to win 4 games to be crowned state champion, I'd prefer a qualifier that cuts the field in half. 16 teams means 4 games for everyone.

Not sure I could get on board w a team only having to win 4 games to be crowned a state champion. If you’re going that route where a team only needs to win 4 games, better off cutting 6A in half at the end of the regular season. Would at least be a more competitive tournament.

It's not an enrollment problem. Never has been. Two best teams in the HCC this year were also the two smallest enrollment schools. Both made it to their respective state finals.

Thank you for actually doing this. I figured it would look something like this and looks even better visually. This entire argument is a farce. Dummying down 6A does nothing to enhance either the 5A or 6A tournament.

The tournament is designed to crown the best team, not cater to individual schools. We currently don't have seeding, let alone a qualification format, I'd say those 8 schools have it as good as they are going to get it. Again, the problem isn't mega-school enrollments. It's a Center Grove, Carmel, Warren, BD problem. If you magically removed Ben Davis and Warren from the equation, people would still complain about a Center Grove and Carmel problem. Simple solution is to permanently move Carmel to the South. Would still make for blowouts in the state title game but you'd at least get better representation from the North. A lot more practical solution than further diluting an already diluted field.

Probably because Texas is 5-6x the size of Indiana and thus likely has the appropriate amount of schools to put on several non-public tournaments. Not feasible in Indiana.

There's two freaking schools in the state that have 4000+ students. THOSE ARE THE OUTLIERS. Dummying down the system, again, because of two schools, for the benefit of 8 is stupid (and wrong). An overwhelming majority of 8 teams listed don't ever play Carmel or Ben Davis in the tournament because they can't get out of sectionals against like-sized publics. It's a neanderthal argument.

Cathedral has been the smallest enrollment school in their class since the inception of the SF and by this time next year will be competing in a class two above their normal enrollment for the second time. What in the hell are you talking about?

YoU DiDN't KNoW ThAt?

You have lost your damn mind.

We’ve been over this. Mark Bless has ZERO issue scheduling schools like Guerin or Gibson Southern when it’s convenient (non-elimination). Columbus North has a larger enrollment disparity over Gibson Southern than Carmel does over Columbus North. Columbus North hasn’t had their season ended by a mega-enrollment school since they lost to Warren in 2006. They can’t beat Center Grove, they can’t beat Franklin Central, hell they lost to Jeffersonville a few years back. This idea that CN is being held back because they lose year in and year out to schools twice their size is nothing short of delusion. The idea that the IHSAA needs to dummy down another class, again, for 7-8 schools, is ridiculous.