Footballking16

35 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

I don't believe for one second tennis, wrestling, soccer, volleyball, etc. teams are traveling across the country and playing games/matches in the middle of the week.

My guess is for the sports that play multiple times a week you'll see extended trips. Say USC basketball is playing Rutgers in Piscataway on Thursday night, they'll be scheduled to play a school like Penn State or Maryland that Sat/Sun. Same when teams go out west. Purdue would play Oregon and Washington back to back before heading back East.

I get it's a pain, but with the new TV deal that's worth almost $100mil/yr, they can definitely pull it off. 

24 minutes ago, Bobref said:

Seems like the Irish are standing pat.

https://fanrecap.com/notre-dame-wont-change-view-on-independence-if-big-ten-expands-further-per-report/

And will stand pat until the NCAA comes out and says you must be a conference member to make the playoffs and/or NBC pulls the plug on their exclusive media deal. 

2 hours ago, temptation said:

I can get on board with this with the exception of Roncalli.  I know they are a blueblood but I'm not sure you just replace what they lost last year.

Cue the "Does football exists outside central Indiana" posts. 

On 7/29/2023 at 5:46 PM, Grover said:

Yeah, but it's a fight starter (not with you) and I'm not in the mood for a fight.

I’d just assume it’s for more “exposure” (could be way off base). Any time the word “travel team” gets thrown out it’s just assumed that it leads to more exposure as you’re playing a more nationalized schedule. Football is the one sport where your genetics play the biggest factor in getting a D1 schedule. 10-12 year old kids are the furthest thing from being developed and a huge reason why travel football has never made sense to me. 
 

Football at that level needs to be all about technique and fundamentals, not racking up trophies playing in different tournaments.

17 minutes ago, BTF said:

That doesn't help. Fort Wayne, South Bend, The Region, and Evansville has that too. I'm just curious if Indy is doing something with their youth programs that the rest of the state is not. 

Higher concentrate of kids, more leagues, more opportunities, etc.......just spitballing.

But seriously, at the end of the day there's good football all across the state and the ones committed to it start them young. CYO, CG bantam league, etc all have phenomenal programs the same way that IPS and Washington Twp have little to no structure. It reflects at the high school level. 

1 hour ago, BTF said:

Not sure I follow. Are kids born in Indy bigger, stronger, and faster?

Only if your last name is Martin or Karras (although Ted wasn't born in Indy) 😁

44 minutes ago, WWFan said:

Thought DT was back for a minute with that title. 🤣

Didn't DT start and then sell IFD (Indiana Football Digest)? 

I could be way off but remember him starting his own platform a few years back and then trying to promote it here.

Violations were nothingburgers (no pun intended) but Harbaugh did lie during an investigation (per the NCAA) which is considered a Level 1 infraction and one of the most serious charges. Both Bruce Pearl and Jim Tressel lost their jobs about the same time several years back lying to NCAA investigators over several minor infractions. Can't do that and a precedent has been set. 

10 minutes ago, foxbat said:

If I had 2,000 boys to choose from and created a pretty good team and then someone else said, "Hey, I've got another 1,000 boys that look like the 2,000-boy population you just created your team from," I'm pretty sure I would look through the additional 1,000 as opposed to waiving them off.  Realistically, if someone said, "I've got another 20 boys," I'd probably waive it off as not necessarily worth the time/payoff, but for an additional 1,000, even if just 15% were interested in being part of the football team, the likelihood of improving on the original team from the 2,000-boy population is decent.

That's all true but in a sport that has a finite # of positions for only  X amount of kids, you're going to max yourself out of those extra 1,000 boys pretty quick. Carmel's shear number of kids certainly doesn't hurt its cause but I wouldn't say it's given them an over the edge advantage. They've been pretty pedestrian the last few seasons all things considered. 

9 minutes ago, BTF said:

Carmel, Warren Central, and Ben Davis were winning championships when the rest of Indianapolis was just average. Teams from the HCC were doormats during those dominating years. Penn won five state titles after rolling through one of the easiest schedules in the state. 

The enrollment gap is closing in central Indiana. Nearly every 6A school in metro Indy is approaching 3k students (if not already there) and many will soon eclipse it. 

4 minutes ago, PDB26 said:

Choose from is an interesting way to describe it. That implies all 1000 additional boys are interested in being part of the football team. We know this is not the case.

Correct. At some point it becomes a quality over quantity type deal and I think that becomes the case once you start hitting 2500 kids. 

1 hour ago, temptation said:

Might be an unpopular opinion but I actually think that 5000+ students in one building can be detrimental in many ways.  Just a hunch.

I am not sure that there is a significant difference/advantage between 5000 and 3000 students.

Agree with you here. There's a certain threshold where # of students become irrelevant when trying to field a 100-150 man football team grades 9-12. Every 6A team has the bodies to do this. I actually think a school of 5,000 discourages participation, especially in a sport like football. I also think Carmel loses a ton of feeder kids to schools like Cathedral, Brebeuf, Guerin, etc for this exact reason across all sports. 

On 12/13/2022 at 12:46 PM, Bash Riprock said:

Looks like former IU player Dasan McCullough lands with his brother Daeh in Norman, OK.  Surprises me a little...thought at least one of the boys would end up with Dad at ND.

https://247sports.com/college/oklahoma/Article/Oklahoma-Sooners-football-recruiting-Daeh-McCullough-Dasan-McCullough-Deland-McCullough-transfer-portal-Jay-Valai-Brent-Venables-Indiana-Hoosiers-Cincinnati-Bearcats-200102132/

Not sure either qualified

4 minutes ago, BTF said:

Which explains why the rest of the state can't catch up. Not only does Central Indiana have the largest enrollment schools, now you're telling me that they have no boundaries whatsoever? Fort Wayne has open enrollment, but there is a limit and it's supposed to academically motivated. Does it get abused? Sure. But the difference here is that there is a "limit." 

You keep mentioning 4A enrollment schools dominating 5A. Since the inception of of 6A, only two 4A enrollment schools have won the 5A tournament. During that same time span, four 5A enrollment schools have won the title. There have been 20 participants in the 5A title game, only seven of which were 4A enrollment schools. And we keep talking about the same two schools here in Cathedral and New Pal. I would hardly call that 4A dominance over 5A as a whole. 

Cathedral and New Pal have combined to win 6 of the 10 5A titles, Columbus East also won a 5A title but memory escapes me if they were up due to enrollment or SF from 4A. Either way, when 60% of the state titles have been won by schools who aren't 5A by enrollment its why you get mass people suggest the class is watered down. 

Look I know you're a Snider guy and you have to defend 5A. I'll be the first to admit that Cathedral in most years had an easier time winning 5A than they would have 4A if the SF wasn't enacted. 4A in my opinion is much stronger in Central Indiana than it is in 5A as well as the Southern part of the state and that is the draw Cathedral would have had.

1 minute ago, hhpatriot04 said:

Put all small P/P schools in 3A and all 3A+ P/P schools in 5A. Then use the SF from there.

I don't support that, but I think it would solve most of the complaining.

Also, I've long supported the 1A/6A ~32 teams (probably less), then evenly distributing 2A-5A (5A wouldn't be a 32-team class). But take it a step further and go to only four classes -- 2A and 3A would need an extra week of tournament games.

Start with top 32 enrollment teams in 6A and bottom 32 enrollment teams in 1A. Those classes are now set.

Bump the remaining top 32 enrollment teams in classes 1A-4A up a class and you have your new classifications. No clue what the official breakdown per class would be but you get the picture. 2A-5A would all roughly have ~64 teams. 

2 minutes ago, BTF said:

Every time you brag about Cathedral........."4A enrollment schools running away with state titles (New Pal and Cathedral)".................I'm going to kindly remind you that they have zero boundaries. You're blind as a bat if you think they don't have an advantage over their 4a counterparts (and pretty much all of 5a). 

Brag? I'm stating facts. 4A enrollment schools have dominated 5A. There's literally no argument to be made otherwise. Cathedral has the same boundaries as every other public school in Central Indiana. How many times and from how many posters do you need to be told that open enrollment absolutely kills any argument to the contrary? 

Cathedral has plenty of advantages over their 4A and 5A counterparts and none of them have to do with "zero boundaries". And by the way, they're still technically a 4A enrollment school. When the IHSAA 

Just now, BTF said:

You keep playing the small school card with Cathedral. Do we have to keep doing this? Kudos to them for winning where the IHSAA puts them, they are a great program for sure. But c'mon, you and I both know they are not a 4a program. Based on their advantages, I'd call them a 6a program, but I'd settle for 5a. 

New Pal on the other hand? That's a true smaller school that competes with the big boys. And they can only do that by playing their best athletes on both sides of the ball. But that's what they do and kudos to them for having the endurance to compete that way. 

Yo...

They're a 4A enrollment school. You can use whatever rationale you need to tell yourself otherwise but they would still be playing in 4A if the SF didn't exist. 5A has been dominated by 4A enrollment schools since the SF. That is fact. This year was the first time in 5 tournaments that a true 5A enrollment school won the 5A championship. 5A became a watered down division when the large class split in two and it's been dominated by non-5a enrollment schools ever since. There really isn't a counter-argument to be made. 

1 hour ago, BTF said:

I'll ask again. When New Pal and Cathedral were winning 5A while Snider, Valpo, and Merrillville were playing in 6A, how come there was no talk of 5A being watered down? It's somehow watered down now without the presence of two major players. But three major players were added. Again, why did the talk of 5A being watered down only begin this year? I'll tell you why. No one wants to admit that a class is watered down when the champion is from Indianapolis. When the best teams are from the north, it has to be watered down to fit the narrative that football is awful outside of Indy

LOL...4A enrollment schools running away with state titles (New Pal and Cathedral) is the exact reason WHY 5A is watered down. 

Before 6A was formed, there were 3-4 schools who dominated the large class. When those schools moved to 6A there was hardly any separation between the top schools in 4A and the top schools in 5A. 7/10 5A title winners since 6A was formed have been schools with 4A enrollment. They didn't miss a beat in 5A after being bumped up. It's not meant to be a dig at the current 5A schools, it's just the reality of the situation. If you made 1A the smallest 32 schools and bumped up the top 32 schools in 4A to make 5A a 64 team class, the outlook on 5A would be completely different than it is today. 

5A was always going to be the watered down class when they formed 6A. Since the Success Factor was implemented, 5A has been dominated by 4A enrollment schools taking their turns at title runs. Another poster had it right, make 6A the top 32 enrollment schools and 1A the smallest 32 enrollment schools and 5A would look like a much better product top to bottom. 

3 hours ago, temptation said:

Impossible now.  These are your nominees.

When a kicker has a better chance at winning Mr. Football over someone like Hansen or Tibbs it might be time to start re-thinking the award. 

Personally, I think the award should be open to all grades, not limited to seniors. I also don't have a problem recognizing the best player in each class either. 

2 hours ago, Grover said:

Try to rise above the level of a middle schooler. I have no narrative other than pointing out the fallacies of your takes. It is a position award. The position is running back. 

It matters, substantially. He’s ineligible for Mr. Football now. Everyone on this board knows that Drayk Bowen is going to win Mr. Football and everyone knows the selection process is going to factor in both his offensive and defensive prowess into the equation. 

I dislike Roncalli's football program as much as the next guy, but pretty egregious for him not to win this award. With Wheat going down and Coyle picking up the slack on top of Thomeson running for an additional 1000 yards, think it might be safe to say it's Center Grove who can afford to pick and plug whomever they want into the lineup. And that isn't a knock on Coyle either, just a testament to how stacked Center Grove is.

Also Walker over Tibbs? Unless MaxPreps is wrong, Tibbs had almost double the catches, more yards, and more TD's. 

15 hours ago, hhpatriot04 said:

How did Cathedral all of a sudden turn into a basketball power? It seems to have happened over night. 

Would caution about categorizing Cathedral as a basketball powerhouse. They've always had "good teams" over the years but only one team a year gets out of sectional with LN, LC, Warren, North Central, Tech, and Attucks. Cathedral has the #1 recruit in the country right now which obviously would make any team a state title contender. Before last year, Cathedral had lost every opening round sectional game since Delaney was hired. 

42 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

its all fun and all, 

just hoping we hit our goal, and if you want to help then you know how, but if you are relying on others to pay up and not pay it forward that is your decision, but for someone who continues to want to be in the forefront of our community with your threads and whatnot, you'd think you'd show your appreciation monetarily as well.   

But to each their own 

I got Temp and I's donation for this year

1 minute ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Cycle started over this year:   (not going to do 1 point sectional champ)

6a, doesn't matter 

5a:  Valpo earned 4, Whiteland 3, Castle 2, Snider 2, 

4a:  East Central 4, NP 3, LaPorte 2, Roncalli 2, 

3a:  Chatard 4, Lawrenceburg 3, WL 2 Monrovia 2 

2a:   Mater Dei 4, Andrean 3, Linton 2, Luers 2, 

1a:   Lutheran 4, AC 3, Judson 2, 

without looking on Harrell's I think that is it 

Cathedral won 6A regional so will stay in 6A through 2025