Footballking16

1 minute ago, temptation said:

Seconded.  Why now?

I'd think the obvious reason is that he's currently broke and Blind Side was nominated for picture of the year and grossed over $300 million at the box office. There's money to be made if he can get his hands on it after the fact. 

Really weird story coming out of Oher's camp today. Former 1st round pick alleging Blind Side was one big lie in the sense the Tuohy's never adopted him and instead acted as conservators to prevent him from ever making money on a book and film about his own personal life.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38190720/blind-side-subject-michael-oher-alleges-adoption-was-lie-family-took-all-film-proceeds

So much to unpack here. 

-Oher signed away his rights at 18 making him a consenting adult at the time.

-Waited until he retired from the NFL to research if he was actually ever legally adopted and nearly 20 years after he signed his rights away to make this public; I've always been under the impression that anyone over the age of 18 must legally consent to being adopted and a court hearing must take place in order for the adoption to be recognized. Would think that matter would have been uncovered years ago.

-Very real chance the Tuohy's took severe of a very underprivileged adult but did so in a manner that from a legality standpoint never broke any laws and Oher may be SOL in the end.

Any thoughts from a legal standpoint @Bobref

12 minutes ago, temptation said:

Nor option 3...the NCAA has an agenda with Harbaugh going all the way back to satellite camps and thinks they've finally "got him" and wants to make an example out of him.

The university (not Jim) took the plea.

Highly doubt this is a Jim vs the world type deal. This whole thing is likely resolved by now with a little honesty and cooperation that would have resulted in a probationary status and a possible fine. 

24 minutes ago, temptation said:

Do we have proof he is lying or are you just going with the mainstream media's take?  The rules surrounding official visits/dead periods/etc. during Covid were extremely fuzzy and ever changing.  Once again, he (nor Michigan) hosted any official visits during that period per campus rules and those families were in town on their own dime.  That HAS to play a factor here.

I'm torn on whether or not he is actually lying.  He may admit to the violation in hindsight but Jim is a quirky dude.  I am not even sure he knew AT THE TIME he was committing a violation.

Knowing what he knows now, maybe he admitted to the suspension after the fact that he committed a violation was revealed.

He is standing on principle here and playing the whataboutism game (which is dangerous as I play it too) and as you mentioned it may cost him.  

 

I’m just going off optics here.

“Innocent” man doesn’t take a plea unless it’s a really good deal (which in this case it is) because he is in fact not “innocent”.

Nor

Does the NCAA IC pull a deal off the table after it has been negotiated unless there’s hard evidence that the punishment is too lenient.

1 minute ago, temptation said:

Tennessee didn't even LAND many of those who they supposedly gave out bags of cash to...so what does that tell you about what goes on in the southeast?  They LOST a bidding war and because they admitted it, got a slap on the wrist.  Pruitt's on-field performance also played a role in his firing too so lets not pretend that was some sort of honorable separation.

I'll admit my bias but Harbaugh has been squeaky clean every where he has coached.  The "dead period" logistics were changing on the fly during Covid and many families paid their own way to go to Ann Arbor lead by the family of the current starting quarterback.  Michigan/Harbaugh were not HOSTING any official recruiting visits as that was the procedure/rule.  

I'll go ahead and enjoy the 2023 season as it has the potential to be the best in program history and I will worry about any future nonsense next spring.

(Side note, the culture at Michigan is better than it has ever been and Jim has said that he has 10 future head coaches currently on staff...so in the event of any potential lengthy suspension, the Wolverines would be in good hands.)

 

The NCAA isn't going after Harbaugh for the petty Level 2 stuff....or a cheeseburger, they're going after him for lying/misleading the NCAA during an ongoing investigation, a Level 1 infraction. Agree with your initial premise that the original charges don't compare to what happened at Tennessee, which just begs the question, "Why lie about it in the first place"? And if he didn't really lie or obstruct an investigation, why accept the four game punishment in the first place?

Harbaugh isn't acting like someone who is completely innocent here. 

3 minutes ago, temptation said:

Eh, likely.  I will concede that point but I am not going to sit here and carry water for the NCAA...if Tennessee and others did not get "blood" as @Footballking16 refers to it, I think the spineless NCAA will fold here.  Tom Mars doesn't lose often.

Also, do we live in a world where fast food bags full of cash being handed out (as long as you are honest about it) gets a slap on the wrist whereas "lying" about contact during a COVID dead period in which rules were changing by the minute (Harbaugh has yet to concede that he lied by the way) gets throttled?

C'mon.  I am not the only one that has my head in the sand here.

Tennessee ridded the problem and fired Pruitt and all the players who accepted cash are no longer at the university. I'm not for punishing players/coaches for a prior regimes problem. 

I'm just saying, if there's zero evidence Harbaugh knew about the alleged violations why did he accept the 4 game punishment to begin with? That doesn't sound like an innocent bystander in all this. And I would highly doubt the Infractions Committee would pull a deal off the table and continue to investigate the matter if they weren't looking to hand out a harsher punishment. Just the optics I see here. 

8 hours ago, temptation said:

As I correctly predicted above, the NCAA comes out of this looking far worse than Jim.  They expected him to bend over and grab his ankles without a shred of evidence.

He agreed to the punishment lol. 4 games (against nobodies) for allegedly lying to NCAA investigators, which has gotten multiple coaches fired and in some cases show-cause penalties, was best case scenario for Harbaugh. The infractions committee isn’t rejecting the agreement put in place and walking away. They want blood.

This is akin to the prosecutor pulling a plea deal at the 11th hour. Prosecutors don’t pull plea deals and then drop the case altogether.

The NCAA just cancelled their agreement with Harbaugh to suspend him for 4 games and will go to the Infractions Committee after the season.

Have to think this is Harbaugh’s last season at Michigan and will go out Pete Carroll style.

1 minute ago, PHJIrish said:

So that has changed?  

Yes changed sometime in June of 2022

Just now, PHJIrish said:

That doesn't surprise me.  That's quite a nice course!

What about the 300 miles from the Indiana border rule?

I believe teams from Indiana can play any team in the country so long as they travel to or within 300 miles of the Indiana border to play. 

3 minutes ago, PHJIrish said:

I've been away since last season, so has the 300 mile rule been rescinded?  I know where IMG is located as I've visited a friend who lives a couple miles from IMG in Bradenton.  I passed it many times and was amazed that a "high school" had it's own golf course.

IMG started out as a Golf and Tennis academy way back in the day and well before it became a high school. Some of the best golf and tennis players of all-time trained there.

3 hours ago, temptation said:

Yikes.

I guess the bigger question is: Does IMG stack it's academy team or do they try to somehow distribute talent so they all see the field. For instance:

IMG has a SR RB Jerrick Gibson who is a 4* ranked 64th nationally committed to Texas

They also have two JR RB's Anthony Rogers 4* ranked 74th nationally in his class committed to Alabama as well as Donovan Johnson also a 4* ranked 61st nationally in his class who has offers to Georgia, Alabama, LSU, Ohio State, Oklahoma, and about 30 other P5 schools. No way those guys are all on the same team right? How do you keep everyone happy? Is it even worth going to IMG if you're splitting a third of the snaps assuming it's evenly distributed?

Why is Ben Davis playing this game lol!

8 minutes ago, Offintheyard said:

This has to be the most asinine thing I have read on this forum. You are seriously going to say that teams that go 2-7 didn't put as much if not more work than an 8-1 team? There are numerous reasons that several teams go 2-7 or worse and none of the reasons are that they didn't put in the time. Get out of here with that crap.

I agree with your premises but there's still no rational explanation as to why a team that goes 2-7 should EVER get a more favorable postseason draw than a team that goes 8-1 in almost any scenario imaginable.

22 minutes ago, AW0352 said:

Who can logically come up with a top 100 for high school in the country?   How do you even compare teams? 

Whiteshoes has been providing this content nationally for years and I trust that he knows and studies his stuff.

Like any preseason rankings, I'm sure it's largely comprised of prior year results combined with returning production. I'm sure there's some combination of historical tradition that factors in as well. 

Just now, Bash Riprock said:

This may be a silly question, but is there a payout for the game involved?  

As the great Frank Beamer quoted while head coach at Murray State prior to Va Tech about an upcoming game against Alabama....."Alabama needs a win and we need a new weight room." 

I can't imagine Ben Davis is paying IMG to come blow their doors off. Perhaps the other way around but that just seems like an odd angle altogether.

Perhaps it's nationally televised in some capacity and each school is getting a piece. About the only logical reason why this game being played makes sense. 

4 minutes ago, BTF said:

Snider and North Side alone have four players with Power Five offers. I'm counting 20 players from Indiana going to Power Five schools according to 24/7.

How many are going to Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, Florida, etc and have 50+ offers from every school in the country? 

A national all-star team is going to beat a local all-star team, by a good margin I would guess. 

5 minutes ago, BTF said:

The whole state of Indiana? I was thinking an all-star team from just Indy and Fort Wayne could compete with IMG. Fort Wayne has their fair share already committed to Power Five programs. I haven't dug deep on this, I just have a hard time thinking they would lose by 3 touchdowns or more. 

The whole state? Indiana as a whole has what, 5-6 guys a class who will play and contribute at major college football programs? Nearly all of IMG's entire 2 deep will have committable P5 offers (multiple) when all said and done. There will be guys standing on the sideline at IMG who won't play until the second half that will commit to SEC and B10 schools by the time they graduate. 

15 minutes ago, foxbat said:

IMG's new board has indicated that it's not taking one-semester transfers anymore, so IMG's "poaching" would be limited to current sophomores and freshmen.

Well in that case it's already a win for BD lol!

11 hours ago, Coach Dowell said:

If you wanna BE somebody you gotta BEAT somebody!

Beating IMG and winning the 6A title aren't mutually exclusively. You could take the top 70 players in Indiana, form an all-star team, and they still wouldn't come within 3 TDs of IMG. The talent disparity between IMG and Indiana, let alone just Ben Davis, is on a different planet. 

8 minutes ago, BTF said:

Hard to debate any of that. Will IMG be promoting their brand when they come to Indy for the purpose of recruitment? I think we'd be naive to think otherwise. I think word has gotten out that certain areas of Indiana are more than just a basketball state. 

I know there are certain high school state athletic associations who have barred their teams from playing schools like IMG for this exact purpose, Georgia specifically. I think Texas in another. 

47 minutes ago, temptation said:

Ben Davis keeps this game within XX points and can walk away with their head held high?

I think if Ben Davis can muster more than 100 yards of total offense and/or score (while IMG still has their 1st/2nd team in) that's something they can always hang their hat on.

This game has 42/49-0 nothing at half written all over it with IMG deciding how professional they are in the second half.

I think the biggest win for Ben Davis would be IMG leaving town without poaching someone like Mark Zackery for next year.

1 hour ago, Impartial_Observer said:

Because it’s on the schedule. 

I’m aware. Why was it scheduled?

Just scoured through On3 recruiting rankings and for the life of me cannot figure out why this game is being played. 

IMG currently has 10 seniors who are 4 and 5* recruits and another 8 juniors who are either 4 or 5* in their respective classes. I stopped looking at recruits ranked past 300 nationally but would imagine there's at least another 10-15 kids in both the 2024 and 2025 classes who hold committable offers to more than at least 1 P5 school. 

Ben Davis has one kid, Mark Zackery a JR, who is rated in the top 1000 nationally (171 in the class of 2025) in either class who I'm guessing would be a special teams player at IMG at this point in his career. 

Is this game being televised? 

35 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

I don't believe for one second tennis, wrestling, soccer, volleyball, etc. teams are traveling across the country and playing games/matches in the middle of the week.

My guess is for the sports that play multiple times a week you'll see extended trips. Say USC basketball is playing Rutgers in Piscataway on Thursday night, they'll be scheduled to play a school like Penn State or Maryland that Sat/Sun. Same when teams go out west. Purdue would play Oregon and Washington back to back before heading back East.

I get it's a pain, but with the new TV deal that's worth almost $100mil/yr, they can definitely pull it off. 

24 minutes ago, Bobref said:

Seems like the Irish are standing pat.

https://fanrecap.com/notre-dame-wont-change-view-on-independence-if-big-ten-expands-further-per-report/

And will stand pat until the NCAA comes out and says you must be a conference member to make the playoffs and/or NBC pulls the plug on their exclusive media deal.