Footballking16

They'll always be cowards for discontinuing what was once one of the better rivalries in the state. Reasons as to why they're now scheduling Cathedral again in football? Regime change? Increased level of on-field talent the last couple of seasons?

Really? So why was Roncalli the only school to drop Cathedral? And for football only no less? Cathedral still plays Chatard every year and has played Brebeuf several times since the agreement was drawn up. Ritter and Scecina aren't feasible football opponents for Cathedral so they don't really factor into the equation. This was absolutely an athletically motivated decision and anybody who believes otherwise is lying to themselves. If there were truly major philosophical differences between Cathedral and Roncalli they'd have discontinued any and all events. Roncalli was tired of getting their teeth kicked in by a rival and took the easy way out. Roncalli wanted to dictate Cathedral's demographics to level the playing field and Cathedral laughed at them. Cowards.

Cathedral is recognized by the archdiocese of Indianapolis. However it doesn't receive any financial funding.

And I would question your naivety if you really think that agreement is enforced, let alone complied with by the agreeing members. But that's not for here. The "agreement" also wanted to restrict as many "outsiders" as possible (if you catch my drift) and Cathedral said to hell with it. Cathedral's a diversified prep school with Catholic affiliation that is well represented within metropolitan Indianapolis. Been that way a while and continue to foresee it that way. And yes that includes lots of Catholics and lots of legacies, many of which are both.

The timing was right around the time Cathedral started getting "good" again and were no longer losing to Chatard and Roncalli back to back in weeks 3 and 4, like they had the several years prior. I believe Cathedral at one point had lost the last 8/9 games combined against Chatard/Roncalli. That is the coincidence here. Which is why the entire facade was completely hypocritical. "Let's drop the one sport in which we're getting our asses hand to us under the guise of breaching a gentleman's agreement". Nobody buys that. It was a convenient out. Cathedral isn't a deanery school. Never has been and never will be. PHJ says it every year and as cliche as it sounds, Cathedral literally has to recruit every single one of its students. They have zero inherent feeder schools. The presence of south deanery kids on Cathedral's varsity roster is minimal at best and has been that way dating back to the time of this gentleman's agreement. The CYO presence in general is dwindling and that has been a consistent trajectory. It's just a stupid hill for Roncalli to die on

My point? That Roncalli's discontinuation of the series had nothing to do with the abovementioned agreement on how each school went about contacting CYO kids and everything to do with Roncalli's competitiveness (or lack thereof) on the field. The fact that Roncalli continued to schedule Cathedral in everything BUT varsity football only reaffirms that, as Roncalli is typically competitive and in some cases better than Cathedral at just about everything else.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/2021/02/18/indiana-football-cathedral-roncalli-rivalry-renewed-2023-schedule/4494230001/ Series was renewed in February of 2021, less than 3 months after Roncalli ran roughshod through the 4A tournament and was expected to return arguably their most talented on-paper team possibly ever. I find this quote from Roncalli's AD particularly interesting: “It’s been a work in progress for a few years to get this rivalry back together,” Roncalli athletic director David Lauck said. “We play Cathedral in all other sports, so it’s time to get back together on the gridiron.”

The continuation of this series was announced a few years back when Roncalli was dominating 4A under Rodenburg who had previously played Cathedral every year while at Moeller. Roncalli has been exceptionally good the last 3 seasons, its no secret as to why they finally would agree to play Cathedral again....they had a chance of competing. If Roncalli wanted to hold Cathedral to their end of the bargain, they would have dropped Cathedral in every sport, not just varsity football. This is window-dressing at its finest. It's no different than the MIC kicking out Center Grove and Carmel despite still playing them in nearly every sport outside football on Friday night. Cathedral returned the favor after being Roncalli's whipping boy for several seasons in the early 2000s and Roncalli couldn't handle it and quit. Cowards.

You and I, along with everybody else, knows this had nothing to do with the principal agreement put in place and everything to do with Roncalli hitting a down cycle and not wanting to continue getting their tails kicked in. Roncalli still and to this day has scheduled Cathedral in every sport (Frosh, JV, Varsity) minus varsity football. It’s never been about what you’ve just claimed. Roncalli wanted Cathedral to become more “Catholic” in regards to their football roster and Cathedral said, “We’re good”. Roncalli, took their ball and went home and the directions of each program couldn’t have gone different routes. Cowards.

No, opportunity does.

What does that have to do with anything lol? If given the opportunity, Roncalli would drop 63 on Cathedral and not think twice about it and vice versa. Doesn't mean it's going to play out that way however. Look at what Cathedral did to Roncalli right around the time it was announced the regular season series was going away. 55-10, 41-10, 48-7.

Why would they not? Roncalli HATES Cathedral. Roncalli hated Cathedral so much that at one point several years back, they tried to dictate where Cathedral got their kids ie "X amount of football roster must be catholic" while also telling Cathedral to stay out of the south deanery. When Cathedral laughed in their face, they took their ball and went home and stopped playing them. Cowards.

If Roncalli had the ability to beat Cathedral 63-0, they'd do it, hyperbole or not.

Hard to say when one team has ducked the other for over a decade.

Roncalli would do the same in a heart beat....if they could.

Hope Cathedral beats those cowar...errr Royals, 63-0. People don't forget.

He's got unbelievable talent and arm strength. His game has taken off since being in DeBoer's system. Biggest knock in Penix is always going to be his prior injuries. Penix suffered season ending injuries all 4 years at IU. Can obviously fault IU for lack of line protection but two of them have come on non-contact ACL injuries and a broken clavicle sneaking it in from the 1 yard for a TD. It is what it is at this point. I just don't know if a GM can afford to leverage a first round pick on Penix, let alone a top 5 pick given his past. But he certainly has all the makings of being a massive steal for somebody and has all the tools to make it at the level.

Not saying it’s the end be all, but Sagarin has Northrop as a 2 TD favorite over Tech.

Per Sagarin, Tech would lose to about 80% of teams regardless of class. 5A and 6A account for 20% of all teams. Embarrassing lack of leadership at the IPS level.

Not if you have an undefeated B10 team and undefeated Pac 12 team along with assuming Texas and FSU run the table.

Shame on me for thinking IU may have turned a corner after a strong 2nd half offensive showing against Louisville. Saturday night was pathetic. Walt Bell should have been fired yesterday but honestly don't know who they'd have call plays? The Tom Allen era can't end soon enough.

I think it's highly likely PSU/UM/OSU all hold serve at home meaning those 3 teams all finish with 1 conference loss given the way the schedule plays out. How does the tiebreaker work in that scenario? There might be multiple B10/PAC 12 teams left out of the playoff assuming Texas and FSU go undefeated which their schedules seem to dictate they will. Could this be the year the SEC doesn't send a team period? I think the SEC is massively overrated. Georgia not running the table could end their bid.

Somebody from OSU sure as hell spotted it. They ran right where the missing defensive lineman should have been.

All coming out of a timeout. OSU grounded the ball on 1st and G to stop the clock, ND called their last TO and broke the huddle with 10 men. I realize Freeman is a nice guy who most want to see succeed but that’s absolutely inexcusable.

Won’t excuse OSU short yardage play calling because it’s a 2 score win if they execute, but their defense was on the field for what felt like the entire 2H. Henderson busted one early and I’m not sure they got another first down until the last drive. Believe I saw a stat at one point where ND had run 30 2nd half plays to OSU’s 7 and had better than a 3:1 TOP ratio.