Footballking16

Think they're on the right trajectory. Michael Kelly is a very good coach and took over a program who had wildly underachieved the three seasons prior. Went 8-3 last year and honestly should have beaten Westfield last year in the sectional final, that was a brutal way to lose a football game. I put them as a contender simply because they avoided sectional 4 and if they are able to knock off the Carmel/Westfield winner (which isn't out of the question) they will be the 6A North representative come Thanksgiving Weekend.

I think Brownsburg is better than both Warren and BD but you'd have to be crazy at this point to trust Brownsburg in an elimination game. South will go through Cathedral/Center Grove and then North will go through the Carmel/Westfield winner and HSE. HSE dodged a huge bullet avoiding Sectional 4.

Also, Notre Dame never offered Ekiyor. Was committed to Michigan for the longest time and flipped to Alabama close to signing day. Had Markese Stepp in the same class as Ekiyor but had to rescind their offer due to grades.

That’s Bob’s point. ND is extremely selective with who they covet in-state. Notre Dame extended 3 offers to in-state prospects for this incoming class; Joey Tanona, Ashton Craig, and Cayden Curry, 4 offers if you count Dasan McCullough who played his senior year in Bloomington but was a Kansas resident when ND offered. Two of the three committed and Curry was never heavily pursued by Notre Dame despite receiving an offer.

They offered 177 high school seniors in the class of 2022 per 247 knowing only 20-25 would eventually commit. Can’t prioritize everyone and neither McCullough (who wasn’t an in-state kid at the time he was offered) nor Curry were high priority targets. There’s a difference and that’s what Bob is alluding too. https://247sports.com/college/notre-dame/Season/2022-Football/Offers/

Don’t think ND recruited Dasan overly aggressive and he was a Kansas resident when he committed to Ohio State initially very early in his high school career. Not a ND fan by any means, but Notre Dame is typically selective towards the in-state kids they covet and to Bob’s point, they win almost all the battles with kids they make priorities. Pete Werner is probably the last kid Notre Dame really wanted (at one point was committed to ND) but ultimately flipped to Ohio State.

Is Jayson West not a good coach? He has three large class titles (at two different schools) and upped and moved to a school that has a tenth of the history that Warren does. That’s an extremely telling story line. No one is doubting Mike Kirschner’s coaching abilities, but Warren isn’t the juggernaut it once was nor are they feared. They’ve been passed by more than a few schools since their last state title.

Both. Definitely gets credit for taking on the job, but let’s be real, Mt. Vernon was a ticking time bomb. One of the fastest growing districts in the state and has been trending up for years. They will be a major player in 4A until they are inevitably bumped up again due to either enrollment or SF.

Warren Central isn’t doomed, they just no longer are the premier program in Indiana as they once were a decade or so ago. They’ve been passed by a few other programs the last couple years and I expect that trend to continue. Warren Central no longer plays in the state’s premier football conference and are now dropping the state’s measuring stick in Center Grove, from future schedules. Warren Central used to be the barometer for success in this state, that is no longer the case.

Warren Central HAD a state championship coach already on the sidelines (two different schools I might add) and decided to leave for a bottom of the barrel program in the HHC. That’s should tell you everything you need to know about the direction Warren Central is heading.

That state champion coach went 4-5 last year. They’re likely not going to challenge for a state title the next few years. Temp isn’t going to save you, in fact he’s already hurting your case, lamenting that Warren has already lost two starters to other programs. That isn’t a sign of a program on the rise.

Never said Warren is in the gutter, simply disagree they are trending up.

Warren Central doesn’t have a single player in its senior class rated in the top 50 prospects in the state. That’s unacceptable for a program of that magnitude. I see 4, maybe 5 regular season wins for the Warriors this year and by the grace of playing in arguably the weakest pound for pound sectional in the state, get a free pass to the Regional round where they will inevitably lose to CG by 2-3 TD’s. There’s 4-5 teams in my opinion who have a shot at the 6A title this year and Warren isn’t one of them.

Warren is sub .500 the last two years, lost to LC (scored 8 points) in the opening round of sectionals last year, and is now ducking premier opponents in the state. We have a very different definition of “trending up”. Warren Central used to be in that same conversation with Ed’s, St. X, and Trinity as to who is the Midwest’s premier football program. Not any more they aren’t.

The way Warren has been trending? Absolutely.

Probably works out better for Center Grove. St. X, Trinity, St. Ed's, etc would likely love to get a chance to play Center Grove. All those are massive upgrades from the aforementioned. Doubt CG is losing any sleep over it.

Nice!!! I’ve been married all of 16 days, don’t jinx it.

Like I said, I generally get along with all but 2 or 3 people on this site. Don’t sweat it. Just be better. You owe too much money for all the space I occupy in your head and I don’t want to jeopardize that. Sleep well.

I generally respect all but 2-3 posters on this site. Your comment yesterday was out of line, opinionated or not.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. And I'm entitled to call out a misogynic opinion when I see one. If you don't like it you can leave.

So just a wildly unfound opinion then? More schools might contract their football teams because a woman is in charge and they don't understand/care for football? How ignorant is that?

What non-1A fledgling schools have contracted their football programs in the last 5 years?

Evidence of this? How many schools in the last 5 years have relegated to a JV schedule or completely contracted their football programs? If anything I see more and more schools offering football than ones voluntarily choosing to shut it down.

Cathedral is a private school that offers a Catholic-based education. It is true that Cathedral isn't as homogenous as the Diocesan schools and that is because Cathedral doesn't have any direct feeders as it not part of the Diocese. I'd still say Cathedral is 70-75% catholic but does tend to take a lot more kids from public schools as it really has to to keep it's doors open. Brebeuf and Cathedral both probably fall around the same split for Catholic/Non-Catholic, if anything Brebeuf has less % of Catholics, as well as SES. A lot of kids from Carmel and the affluent parts of Indy (Williams Creek/Meridian-Kessler) attend Brebeuf as it's just down the road.

I'm not sure there is one specific reason as to why. I'd say looking at CYO over the last 10-15 years however is probably the biggest indicator. The northside deanery schools that feed into Cathedral, Chatard, and to an extent Brebeuf on average are usually significantly better than the average southside deanery schools that feed into Roncalli. Roncalli for the longest time ran an archaic offense under Coach Scifries that wasn't conducive to modern football that could have potentially been a turn off to prospective skill-position player. I can't tell you the last time Roncalli produced a D1 player at QB, RB, or WR.