Footballking16

28 minutes ago, DT said:

Perhaps he is enjoying the recruiting process.

Also a very real possibility

34 minutes ago, DT said:

I can clearly see him already in the scarlet and gray.

I think the fact that he hasn't already committed to Ohio State means the door may still be open for some of the schools that aren't perceived to have a chance, meaning he truly is undecided. Unless he wants to make a big spectacle with an announcement after an all star game or something of that nature (nothing wrong with that by the way), you would have already thought he'd be committed. I doubt he's still holding out for a better offer as he has all the best offers, so who knows. 

14 minutes ago, FootballQB1 said:

 FCS is still D1. If only FBS, I think 3 from 2022 and 3 from 2023

Right, I should have prefaced it better.

Cathedral is being compared (somehow) to IMG here. There is a litany of high schools in the state of Indiana, let alone the Midwest, that send multiple kids a year to FBS schools. It's an accomplishment but not some kind of earth shattering revelation. 

14 minutes ago, FootballQB1 said:

Last year’s Cathedral team was made up mostly of 2022 players. Only 3 main players were from class of 21(Langdon, McCahill, Jordon). Langdon is playing D1. Jordon could have played D1 but chose to play D1 baseball. This year, I see 6 maybe 7 2022 going D1 (FBS and FCS) and 3 from 2023. 

I was talking FBS Scholarship players. Langdon is playing at Columbia in FCS. Still a very commendable feat, but Cathedral isn't sending 10+ players a year to D1 schools which is what I was responding too. 

40 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

A regular/post season record of 149-56 over the past 15 seasons, including 8 state titles.  If that isn't a "consistent level of success" I don't know what is.................

 

Ohio football a different breed than Indiana. Louisville Trinity has 27 state championships. If Cathedral played in 6A they'd just be another really good football program. Nowhere near the IMG moniker you so liberally throw out. 

14 minutes ago, BTF said:

I'm not doubting that, it just seems like Cathedral is some how different now (last several years) than they were in the past (the preceding five decades). 

Last several years? Excluding last year Cathedral went

2019: 9-3 lost in regionals

2018: 6-6 lost in sectionals

2017: 7-6 lost in Semi-state

2016: 7-5 lost in regionals

2015: 8-4 lost in regionals

I'm sure the pity party for Cathedral was real on here during that stretch. 

14 minutes ago, BTF said:

I'm not trying to ruffle feathers, just trying to figure out how a program (Center Grove and Cathedral) produces 10+ Division 1 football players. Certainly they don't breed better athletes in those neighborhoods than they do in other parts of the state. 

10 is an anomaly year. It's been stated that Cathedral's 2022 class is a generational class and I doubt when the dust settles Cathedral sends 10+ kids to D1 ranks from the 2022 class. Cathedral typically sends 1-2 kids a class to a D1 football school. It's really not that much different from Dwenger (a similar-sized school) once you really look at it. Cathedral's 2021 class that had arguably the best year in school history didn't send a single player to a D1 school. 

13 minutes ago, BTF said:

There isn't a Catholic elementary and middle school that feeds into it? 

The Catholic schools in Indianapolis are deanery schools. They feed into the diocesan high schools of Indianapolis (Chatard, Roncalli, Scecina, Ritter). Cathedral is NOT a diocesan high school, it's a privately run high school. Yes, deanery students attend Cathedral as they do Brebeuf (which also isn't a diocesan high school) but Cathedral nor Brebeuf have direct or inherent feeder schools. It's why they have to take kids from all over the city, catholic or not, to keep their doors open.

13 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

I'll take the Cathedral Fighting Irish: the football IMG of the Midwest over any of those also-rans any day.  And so should you.

 

I would love it if Cathedral reached the consistent levels of success of those three schools. Those schools are perennial top 25 programs in the country.  

15 minutes ago, BTF said:

I honestly don't care if a program recruits or doesn't. If you can get a kid out of your district to come play football for you, then you are doing something right as a coach. They want to play for you for a reason. I'm just think you need to play in the respective class to warrant that.

I was simply stating that most of Dwenger's kids come through their Catholic feeder schools. They get a transfer here and there, but it's not a priority of their program. 

Cathedral doesn't have "feeder" schools or a district like Dwenger. It's not a Diocesan school. I'm not sure the point you're trying to make?

12 is too many. 

Needs to be 8 teams

-5 P5 conference champions

-3 wildcards with a spot reserved for a G5 school if they finish in the top 10 of the final CFP committee ranking

15 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

I'll wait with baited breath, but none of them have the panache and pedigree of Indianapolis Cathedral,  the football IMG of the Midwest.

 

Cincinnati Xavier OH, Louisville Trinity, Lakewood St. Edward would all like a word with you.

19 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Part of what makes Cathedral the football IMG of the Midwest.  Embrace it.

 

So far, I've gathered that in order to be compared to IMG, your school must:

-Give financial aid

-Have players with scholarship offers

-Not be a diocesan school.

Give me 2 hours and I'll be back with a more complete list of schools that fit the bill.

2 hours ago, BTF said:

This topic makes me appreciate schools like Bishop Dwenger who predominantly work within their Catholic pipeline. I do credit Cathedral for going out and scheduling the best football programs they can find, but they should be battle testing themselves for the 6A tournament annually. What is the point of playing 5a ball other than stocking their trophy case? Having lots of trophies is fun, but the 6A champion will always be acknowledged as the best team in Indiana. 

What do you mean by "predominantly work within their Catholic pipeline"? Like admit students from FTW area catholic schools? Well they have too, they are a Diocesan high school. Cathedral isn't. Pretty simple.  

13 hours ago, Bobref said:

That’s not a precise enough question for where you’re trying to go. I think what you really want to know is how any financial assistance received by this particular group of Cathedral students compares to the financial assistance utilized by the general student population. In other words, do these athletes receive different treatment in that regard? It’s my understanding that a large percentage of the Cathedral student body receives some form of financial assistance.

Beat me to it. Some 2/3rd's of Cathedral's enrollment is on some type of financial assistance. $15k a year to send a child to school (in some cases multiple) isn't cheap. Nearly 95% of Cathedral's enrollment participates in some type of extracurricular activity. 

14 hours ago, Jon said:

How many of these D1 players are paying the full 15,765 a year to attend Cathedral. If they are getting scholarship money I don't see much difference.

There isn't a single person at Cathedral getting scholarship money. 

28 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Public vs. P/P.   Not even close.  As usual, you don't know what you are talking about.

Cathedral:  The football IMG of the Midwest.  You should embrace that moniker and the hard work it took to achieve it.

 

If you said Cathedral was the private school football IMG of greater Indianapolis, I'd wholeheartedly agree. You'd be right about something....for once.

But you clearly live in a bubble. Go look at some of the talent the GLC Cincy and GLC Cleveland schools put out on a year to year basis or Louisville Trinity as well as the Chicago catholic schools (they're also in the Midwest) and it dwarfs Cathedral. 

14 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

So your answer is "No".  Thank you.

Cathedral:  The football IMG of the Midwest.

 

Not even close. 

Center Grove has more kids with D1 offers on next years team than Cathedral does and kids with major offers. Caden Curry can go anywhere he wants. Jackson is comitted to Tennessee. They just brought in two transfers from Brownsburg with multiple D1 offers. Schott has B10 offers. Per usual, you don't know what you're talking about. 

20 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

So those schools also have close to 40 D-1 offers for their football players?

 

Those are prep schools who recruit kids nationwide and give full rides to attend their schools....like IMG does.

I would say every single player for IMG has at least 1 scholarship offer. Cathedral has about 8-10 kids who have a at least 1 D1 offer totalling 40 offers.

I'm sure Caden Curry at Center grove has amassed 40 offers by himself. 

You're analogy is terrible. 

1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

The IMG Academy of the Midwest..................

 

Uhh no. 

There's actually legitimate athletic prep/boarding schools in the Midwest.

La Lumiere, Huntington Prep, Sunrise Christian

48 minutes ago, DT said:

Covenent had a plan, starting with a state championship wiinning head coach.

Thats far from scraping together 15 undersized kids just to field a geam

 

You’re assuming GCA doesn’t have a plan then I take it? I don’t think anyone expects GCA to win state in their inaugural year, but they’re in a prime location to draw some serious talent in the event they do go the football route.  

3 minutes ago, DT said:

I disagree.  That kind of philosophy just waters down the product and results in a net reduction in competitive balance and the overall quality and level of play.  

"Lets scrape together 15 kids who have never worn pads until high school and tell the world we have a varsity football team."

Foolish

 

I cared enough to write a hit piece on how the program was put together.  LOL

And GCA’s will likely follow in similar fashion.

5 minutes ago, DT said:

I wouldnt exactly say that my Covenent piece was a glowing endorsement of the program.  But go ahead and call me out at your leisure.  You seem obsessed with every opinion Ive got.  

I never said you endorsed the CC program. You said you didn’t “care” about football at that level. Clearly you do.

CGA has a pretty good basketball team if I can recall. If they do go the football route they will have no problem attracting student-athletes from Johnson Country and the southside of Indy. 

DT says he doesn't care about this level of football, but it didn't stop him from starting a thread at the end of last year going all-in on Covenant Christian which CGA could easily become. This will be interesting to watch going forward.

3 hours ago, Bobref said:

So, Rodgers doesn’t show up to OTAs. No surprise there. But 4 wide receivers didn’t show up either. Message delivered. The question is, assuming the Packers’ front office received the message, is there anything they can do about it. The WRs’ message was “we want Rodgers throwing to us when the season starts.” Is there any way the Packers can mollify Rogers short of firing the GM, which is not going to happen? Go get Julio Jones?

I'm not sure any of it matters. Rodgers looks like a man who is done with football.