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Assuming he stays healthy, O'Neil has a very good chance at being a complete three year starter at QB which is very rare at Cathedral. Believe he already holds a few MAC offers despite never starting a game. That is saying something.

24 minutes ago, temptation said:

Lawrence North is on a “talent upswing”, it is still to be determined whether or not it translates into long term tournament success.

They arguably had the best two players on the field in over 75 percent of their games last season and still couldn’t advance past the sectional.

North Central gets Temp’s “covid pass” for 2020 as they had a great 2019.  2021 will tell the real story on their future.

I think Lawrence North has a good staff in place. I think they will only continue to get better especially as the talent in Lawrence Township continues to sway towards Hague Rd. 

As far as North Central goes, if Coach O'Shea stays to see things through I believe they are the sleeping giant in 6A. 

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33 minutes ago, DT said:

CG/CA/BD/WC will always be linked thru the playoffs.  It might actually be better that they dont play each other twice, which thay have done several times in previous seasons.  

 

Carmel will go north in the next classification cycle and there's a chance they stay north for good if Zionsville reaches the 6A threshold which seems imminent. Would mean the only chance Carmel has at playing BD or Warren is in the state finals and there's a zero percent chance in that scenario they play both teams in any given year. That would be a travesty for Indiana High School football. 

36 minutes ago, DT said:

I really believe the two schools are of the thinking that the current level of play in The HCC is more than adequate for tournament preparation.  And the coveted Copper Kettle game would also be preserved and still be a conference game.

I disagree. Warren and Ben Davis are still better than any two other teams the HCC has to offer on a consistent basis and Center Grove would lose its game to Cathedral at the end of the year which has quietly become one the better "friendly" rivalries in the state. It's a barn burner every year. North Central is proving to be a worth opponent and is a natural rivalry with Carmel (or at least used to be) and Lawrence North is definitely on the upswing. 

38 minutes ago, DT said:

I dont think we will see the days of WC running off 4 state titles in a row or BD winning 6 in ten years.  Those days are gone.  The competition has caught up and there is more parity in 6A, which is good news for high school football in general in Indiana.

I don't think any team is going to rattle off 4 in a row at the 6A level nor win 6 in 10 years with or without conference realignment. 

23 minutes ago, temptation said:

I have gone on record as stating that the HCC gets 2-3 titles this decade.  I’ll stick to it and maybe even bump that up should the rumored move eventually take place.

Is that in the current climate or dependent on Carmel and/or Center Grove making the move?

23 hours ago, DT said:

If the HCC adds two schools they would likely go to a 9 game full round robin with no openings for out of conference games.  That seems to be the model in use today.  

Doesn't make much sense from a visibility standpoint. I get Carmel and CG to the HCC makes sense if you're talking about competitiveness in all sports, but football and basketball will always be king in Indiana. Center Grove and Carmel landlocking themselves to a 9 games HCC only schedule, really hurts their visibility at the regional and national level. 

16 minutes ago, DanteEstonia said:

So let’s say two teams leave the MIC. Who then fills the spots in the MIC?

Brownsburg and Avon?

1 hour ago, Bash Riprock said:

As the landscape moves more and more toward 3-4 major power conferences, how does this ultimately impact the low or non-revenue generating sports?  As distances continue to increase between schools, how does this fair toward sports such as wrestling, swimming, gymnastics, etc.?  For example, the only school in the SEC that has wrestling is Missouri and that program competes in the MAC.  

I recently think about where Stanford was heading before the school changed their minds with the elimination of a number of collegiate sports.

Is the future less collegiate sports and more club sports?  Is that a good thing?  Thoughts??  I am not stating that is the future, but it does have me thinking....

That's the unintended consequences of NIL. With State and potentially Federal Law stating that the NCAA can't regulate players profiting off their image and likeness, what purpose does the NCAA stand to serve anymore? As you proposed, you'll likely see anywhere from 3-5 super conferences all collude and then collectively form their own league in basketball and football and negotiate their own TV deals and cutting off the heads of the rest of the remaining NCAA member schools. 

The NCAA as it stands today makes billions of dollars off TV deals for March Madness and the CFB Playoff that they redistribute back to the member schools to fund scholarship programs. Unless you're in one of those super conferences I don't know how you survive? I think you'll start to see many schools go the club model route. In general its bad if you ask me. 

9 hours ago, southend said:

Man this his hype the Hoosiers are generating is paying off for recruiting,LEO. But Still hasn’t shown on the field yet. 

They went 8-5 two years ago and 6-2 last year and are now starting to see the dividends on the recruiting front. Two best winning % seasons IU’s had in 3 decades, not sure what you mean that it hasn’t shown on the field yet?

59 minutes ago, DT said:

Association of American Universities - It is an academic accreditation that BT requires for all members.  Nebraska lost their ranking briefly several years ago and took a lot of guff from the conference academic hierarchy.

Usually only major land grant schjools have the accredation.

KU has it.  KSU does not

OU has it.  OSU does not.

Iowa has it.  ISU also has it.  Hence they are likely in.

With college athletics essentially becoming de facto semi-pro leagues in the revenue generating sports, should academic accreditation really be gauged? OU and UT happened for one reason: $$$. The term student-athlete really doesn’t apply anymore.

Kansas and Iowa really do nothing for the B10 if you look at the bigger picture. Neither of those schools football programs are going to move the needle in media re-negotiations and they’re simple going to cut into the existing members revenue share.

There’s 3-4 schools from a financial standpoint that make sense; Notre Dame, Clemson, UCLA and USC. If you can’t get any of them, don’t bother. Sometimes less is more

Just landed 4* RB G'Bran Payne from Cincinnati LaSalle. Chose IU over Florida, Alabama, and Northwestern.

3 hours ago, Thor77 said:

Context is everything with Brohm. Flipped an awful program to two straight bowl games his first two years then had two years of unprecedented injuries/Covid. Was he perfect, no. Is he actually currently on a hot seat? Absolutely not. 

He has another 4-8, 5-7 type season he most certainly should/will be on the hot seat. You don’t pay a coach $6mil/yr to go sub .500 three consecutive years. Don’t care what the circumstances are.

52 minutes ago, DT said:

HC

He might do well on the west coast given none of his competition out there plays defense either, but if Chip Kelly can't hack it at UCLA I struggle seeing Brohm doing it. 

This hurts Ohio State in my opinion. Ohio State has done a phenomenal job recruiting Texas the last decade pulling top recruits away from both Texas and Oklahoma many a times. Would have to think OU and Texas joining a big boy conference entices those recruits to stick around. Texas A&M jumping to the SEC a few years back lead to an uptick in recruiting really quick.

1 hour ago, XStar said:

Why?

Because momentum in both recruiting and progress in each program is going in opposite directions and losing a top flight in-state recruit with Purdue ties to a rival school who historically hasn't recruited all that way would not have been a good look. 

1 hour ago, XStar said:

Given his contract, I'm not sure what you expect to happen.  Purdue can't afford to fire him even if they wanted to and nobody else is going to pay that large a salary for his recent results at Purdue.  Barring something scandalous, he's going to be there at least another couple seasons.  And unless those seasons are either extremely good.....or extremely bad.....he'll probably be there another couple seasons beyond that.  

As an IU fan I can get on board with this and hope it plays out this way. 

28 minutes ago, DT said:

Nice pickup for the Boilers.

PU beats IU on this one

 

https://247sports.com/player/joe-strickland-46078898/

Almost felt like that was a battle Purdue HAD to win over IU. They got a good one. 

19 minutes ago, temptation said:

Penn’s enrollment advantage over their northern Indiana counterparts speaks for itself.  Other northern Indiana programs are finally catching up as they have invested in their programs.

North Central has always been a basketball first powerhouse as has Pike.  NC is upgrading their facilities and went all in with the hire of O’Shea and last year was just a speed bump.  They’ll continue to improve.

Pike had the right guy in Moyers and made a state finals appearance but that was derailed when adults got in the way.

Dont know enough about Lake Central’s situation to make a statement.

So culture and coaching does play a big part 🙂 ? Thanks, just wanted to hear you say it. 

16 minutes ago, temptation said:

With 2000 fewer students, I might add.

BD, along with Carmel and Warren, should never fall into the “its cyclical” argument with the pure numbers and resources they have available.

A .500 season 1-2 times per decade?  Maybe.

What about Penn, North Central, Pike, Lake Central?

17 minutes ago, temptation said:

Hell, taking it a step further, BD is 18-18 in three years with Simmons and LN (once the annual conference bottom feeder) is 14-18 in that same time frame.

The four win difference lies in the fact that LN has had to go through the sectional 7 gauntlet while BD coasted through sectional 6 the past two seasons.

 

LN also has had generational type talent these last few years and still has a losing record against BD in said time frame. Simmons inherited a BD program the year after going 14-0 ending as one of the states all time best teams that lost an absolute ton to graduation. Simmons has had some injury and youth situations early on. As we all know its cyclical for every program.

28 minutes ago, fenderbender said:

Was Nick still in School?  I thought he was on the WC staff.  Or does he have another son?

 

Younger son Derek

1 hour ago, BDGiant93 said:

All depends on the start of the season. The MIC, other than Center Grove, is pretty much within hailing distance of each other for 2-3-4-5. I think Carmel, BD, Warren, LN, and NC are all right there in no particular order. Pike is coming on fast, too. I think you could see anywhere from 8-1 to 4-5 without the team being that bad this year. The Sectional is what it is, so you play it out. There have been years where BD had to pick its way through a loaded field, too. 

I've maintained for awhile that CG's biggest hurdle in the South is Ben Davis. Young team last year that only got better. 

If you can secure it in LOS, it may have some life, otherwise don’t see that many people interested watching a high school football all-star game in the middle of December outdoors.

Still think you’d get a fairly watered down product. Guessing most of the players good info to make the all-star football team are likely playing basketball as well, especially in the lower classes. Summer works for the IN-KY bball series because it doesn’t interfere with any other sanctioned sports.

24 minutes ago, DT said:

And condescending.  

Pisses me off

So you mean to tell me that most schools in Houston and Dallas aren’t consolidated into 6500 students?

Wild conjecture I’m sure.

15 minutes ago, DT said:

Thats a very insulting comment

Why? 

7 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

A consolidation of those three high schools would have a 9-12 enrollment of approx. 920 students.  The sweet spot IMHO.

 

That would be a good #.
 

Assuming they would need to build a brand new building centralized to the new student body? Feasible?

15 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Depends on the size of the school.   For example having Clinton Central, Clinton Prairie, and no-football program Rossville consolidating could be a win/win.

 

Don't know much about either of those schools. Can't really comment.