Footballking16

17 minutes ago, temptation said:

I know all about Cass Tech too.  You gimme another "public" school in America that boasts 1000 students and has 6-8 D1 prospects on the roster.  Don't be so blind.

That's irrelevant to the fact that you have explicitly stated multiple times that non-mega school enrollments with low socioeconomic factors can't compete. There's 3-4 Miami inner-city schools (Northwestern/Central/Washington/Jackson) that all have between 900-1500 students who produces a ton of D1 talent year after year. I don't know enough about every single inner-city public school system in the country to give you more examples but will assure you they're out there.

Serious question, do you think a school like Tech is completely devoid of athletes or are they completely devoid of any kind of structure, commitment, leadership within the school or am I just way over my head in thinking that? Do you think that problem exists at King or Cass or any of the Miami city schools I mentioned? If a city like Detroit can produced not only 1, but 2 very, very good inner-city football schools, why can't Indianapolis produce one? Inner-city Detroit just have that many more better football players than inner-city Indianapolis? 

18 minutes ago, temptation said:

Correct and all of the football athletes are funneled into King.  550 boys in the school and over a half dozen football D1 guys?  Come on dude.  Get your head out of the sand.

You're thinking of Cass Technical, who also has a great athletic program that is more than twice the size of King. Keep digging. 

16 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:

So what are you REALLY saying? 

King has been a state champion within the last three seasons and played in a state championship game in 2019. 

You're not listening at all what I'm saying. I'm being a smartass. King is a good football program despite having a low enrollment and vastly high f/r lunch program, something Temptation has said isn't feasible under those conditions. 

20 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:

Detroit King is a four-time State Champ (last time in 2018) and played in the title game in 2019. Sounds like they have a stellar athletic program. I'm not saying that Carmel should not have been the favorite, but this idea you seem to be implicating that...

1) Inner city schools are somehow deficient at athletics or...

2) That King is somehow a bad athletic program...

is ridiculous.

I'm being a smartass.

According to Temptation, schools who have astronomically high f/r lunch programs can't/aren't expected to be good at athletics unless they have a mega-school enrollment. It's the only thing he's been talking about these last 6 months.

An inner-city public school (like Detroit King) blows that narrative out of the water in both instances. That's why I'm being "cute" according to Temptation. 

20 minutes ago, temptation said:

Detroit King is as “public” as Cathedral.  In fact, they probably have more future D1 prospects than Cathedral.

A football factory factory first and foremost.

Keep trying though.  It’s cute.

Lol.

It's run by the DPS which is the equivalent to IPS. It's strictly a public school zoned to some of the most impoverished areas of Detroit. The school literally almost closed a handful of years ago. You have no clue what you're talking about.

27 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:

You should look up four-time Michigan champion Detroit King.

Looks like I pulled some old numbers. King is up to 79% free and reduced lunch and only has 1189 students (not 1500).

Carmel truly did avoid one of the biggest upsets in recent memory. 

What's status of Carmel's starting QB?

25 minutes ago, Sports Freak20 said:

This is true....that game was 52-7.  I'd call that a mercy rule

Believe the entire 2H was a running clock and Cathedral only scored one TD.

1 hour ago, Bobref said:

This board used to be absolutely loaded with Penn people. But now, barely a whisper. That’s unfortunate, because I’d really like to hear some thoughts about what has caused the steady decline of that program. Let me be clear. I have nothing but the utmost respect for Coach Yeoman, and the entire program. I worked the final game of my on field officiating career at Penn. And when I think about what they did for me that night, I still get choked up. A 100% class act all the way. Always. They were so good, for so long, with such great tradition and culture. What has happened?

In all honesty it’s likely a culmination of things.

1. 6A has simply caught up. During the 90’s and early 2000’s, you weren’t going to find many teams bigger and stronger than Penn. I’d say most 6A programs today have not only caught up to the Kingsman in their strength and conditioning program, but left them in the dust. Penn just looks like a 4A school when they line up to play.

2. Decline in the city of South Bend. South Bend in generally has just been on the rapid  decline. The SB public schools are non-existent, St. Joe is fading fast, it’s not just Penn.

3. Schedule. Think it’s finally caught up. Penn’s decline has been going on several years but hasn’t always appeared that way on the surface. Penn has always benefitted record wise playing predominantly 3A-4A schools and with the inception of a 6th class, Penn has been able to avoid Valpo and Snider in most years in the north half of the bracket. Some pretty bad Penn teams have been able to sleepwalk through 6A north sectionals and regionals.

4. likely a level of apathy. I know posters on GID don’t represent entire fan bases, but you alluded earlier that they are non-existent on here. There used to be a ton. I sense a general level of apathy has set in the Penn football program and not sure it’s ever coming back to the level of excellence some are accustomed to seeing. 

56 minutes ago, Bobref said:

This board used to be absolutely loaded with Penn people. But now, barely a whisper. That’s unfortunate, because I’d really like to hear some thoughts about what has caused the steady decline of that program. Let me be clear. I have nothing but the utmost respect for Coach Yeoman, and the entire program. I worked the final game of my on field officiating career at Penn. And when I think about what they did for me that night, I still get choked up. A 100% class act all the way. Always. They were so good, for so long, with such great tradition and culture. What has happened?

It has nothing to do with enrollment or spike in % of students with f/r lunch. For sure can tell you that.

Brebeuf has more 1st place votes but ranked 2nd? Hmm

17 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Yeah, the bypass around the (original) bypass is pretty nice.

 

Took 31 up to Culver a few weeks ago. It was a train wreck between 32 and Tipton, one lane both northbound and southbound. And it was one lane up around Rochester. Not sure if that is still the case but I'm guessing 3 hours from Penn to Arlington sounds about right. 

15 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:

I'm just shocked that team ended up on ESPN. It's not like they clearly didn't know if the announcers were saying it in the game.

Didn't watch any of it but saw 58-0. Thing is, IMG would beat just about anybody in the country 58-0 if they really wanted to. Did they call off the dogs early?

18 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:

As an aside, if an Indiana school were to play on a Sunday, it would need a waiver from the IHSAA, correct?

Correct but as an aside I don't believe IMG nor Bishop Sycamore are sanctioned by either of their state's high school governing body. 

Forget ESPN not doing their homework, how about this team playing two games 48 hours apart from each other? 

In a game where Cathedral should be able to name the score, execution and attention to detail will likely be my two biggest takeaways. Offensive line play has been very suspect, if not downright bad, over the culmination of the last two weeks. This should be a nice confidence booster. Can’t have another game with double digit penalties and 100+ yards worth of penalties. That drives me crazy.

I have Cathedral winning 49-0. Backups finally get some reps playing the last quarter and a half with a running clock.

Carmel needed a literal Hail Mary to beat an inner-city Detroit Public with 1500 students where 67% are on a free or reduced lunch program. Center Grove in theory has a punchers chance in this game Friday night. Somebody out there give me Tim Bless’ thoughts on this game? Is it safe to play? 
 

As far as the game goes, give me Center Grove and their 2500 students and higher free and reduced lunch program in a big upset. 31-13 Trojans.

20 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

King is what IPS had envisioned for Tech. Inner-City school that has athletes littered all over the field. Carmel will be the more disciplined team, and if patient should wear King down with their size. Like Carmel in a nail-biter, but King will put points on the board. 

Sounds like a nail-biter doesn’t do this game justice. What a game.

3 minutes ago, Dave007 said:

Our offense still has some kinks to work out.  However I could tell easily in the stands that Brownsburg is much more physical and bigger up front than Westfield was from the prior week.  Credit to Bulldogs for shutting down our run game.  Our defense again was lights out and special teams made some big-time plays when it mattered.  The tackle Gomez made on Brownsburg's return late in 4th quarter actually 'hushed' the stadium for several seconds.  I don't recall such a hard hit in a very long time at high-school level.

To the point above we need to get these penalties under control.  93 yards last week, and 114 yards last night = average of 103.5 penalty yards/game.   That is concerning.

Penalties have been that way for the last few seasons. Not going to change unless players are held accountable. Defense again played lights out, offense has a way to go. Offensive line needs to get better in a hurry. Playing Penn should help.

On 8/25/2021 at 10:10 PM, temptation said:

I take that back.  King’s JUNIOR class is LOADED…including a top 20 QB nationally.

King is what IPS had envisioned for Tech. Inner-City school that has athletes littered all over the field. Carmel will be the more disciplined team, and if patient should wear King down with their size. Like Carmel in a nail-biter, but King will put points on the board. 

GOTW Cathedral (-22) at Brownsburg

Chatard at Warren Central (-15.5)

Roncalli (-28) at Franklin Central

New Pal at Brebeuf (-3)

Warsaw (-4.5) at Michigan City

Westfield (-32) at Harrison (West Lafayette)

Avon at Ben Davis (-6.5)

FW Carroll at FW Snider (pk)

Columbus North at Columbus East (-5)

Decatur Central at Center Grove (-29.5)

Detroit King (Mich) at Carmel (-11)

Elkhart at Mishawaka (pk)

Fishers (-3.5) at Pike

HSE (-5.5) at North Central 

Adams Central at Eastside (-4)

FW Concordia at Homestead (-13)

FW North at FW Dwenger (-14.5)

22 minutes ago, Lysander said:

Looks like a good avatar for Muda. 

17 minutes ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

You can see how everyone ranks currently but only if you view by class or sectional from Harrells page

but the main page that has all schools on 1 sheet is showing from last year still.

 

im not sure if the issue is known or if it’s already been reported but I figured this is as good of a place as any to mention it 

Not sure, but I would take anything Sagarin related with a grain of salt until about week 5 or 6. 

16 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

It does if they prove they can compete against others schools of a similar vein over a certain amount of time.

You really need to excise enrollment from your mind when discussing this issue, it clouds your thinking.   Looks up the working of promotion and relegation and educate yourself to the possibilities.  Here is a decent primer:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promotion_and_relegation

 

 

Have followed European soccer for years. Teams being promoted from lower leagues get a massive revenue boost and can subsequently go out and buy top league level players. Doesn't work that way in Indiana High School football.

The same Gibson Southern team that beat Columbus North this year lost by 42 points the year prior. The success factor in of itself follows a model of promotion and regulation.

20 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

The previous graphic tends to indicate otherwise.

It doesn't.

A team like Gibson Southern doesn't belong in the 6A tournament just because they can beat a school like Columbus North. That's an indictment on Columbus North, not Gibson Southern or the enrollment-based classification system.