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4 hours ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

More so....Hart has made his impact at a number of schools. Mt Carmel (southern Illinois) back in the day....Reitz to a state championship, Warren Central too....Huntley Illinois he went 28-12 before coming to brownsburg. 
 

so good at coaching his own sons are just as successful on the gridiron with all they have learned in Harts 30+ years of coaching. 
 

Nick Hart as we know is the coach of GIbson Southern and is 84-14 since he took over. 

Derek Hart this year took over Kankakee Illinois football program and has immediately turned their program around too. He is currently 8-1 and has the Kay’s ranked 10th in Illinois 5A.

 

I won’t say someone can’t be better than John Hart. But the man has been outstanding and recently just notched his 300th career victory, currently at 300-91 all time record in 35 seasons...mind you he is only 57 I believe so he has been at this since he was roughly 22 years old 

Mt Carmel (2A Illinois) 101-21 in 11 years.

Reitz 73-17 in 7 years (2007 title)

Warren Central 41-9 in 4 years (2009 title)

Huntley (7A Illinois) 28-12 in 4 years

Brownsburg 32-9 in his 4th season 

 

Nothing against any other coach but it’s hard to say someone is a better coach than Hart...his 2 sons are successful football coach’s and his 2 daughters are coaches for basketball and volleyball and have been successful there too. 1 was a girls basketball coach for Central/Princeton and has gone 113-25 in 6 seasons. The whole family is coaching gold.  Wherever they go, the players buy in and they win.

I won't get into the one coach is better than the other. Coach Hart and Coach Bless are both outstanding coaches. Coach Bless is part of a coaching family too. His father Bill is University of Indianapolis's all time wins. His 2 brothers are also coaches at Columbus North and Bloomington North. Here is a great article about him: https://fox59.com/2017/09/11/avons-bless-continues-football-coaching-legacy/

At any rate both great coaches. 

17 minutes ago, Patriot 74 said:

Just to add.....From 1996-2002 HH was 123-13, making the semi state or further in 6 straight years!!  That's a remarkable ten year run!!!

None taken!!!  Two great teams!!  The state made the correct choice by the way!!

I wasn't saying anything bad about HH. Just showing that Danville had a great run too. Only problem was they usually ran into Chatard at the Sectional Championship level instead of Semi-STate like HH did.

15 minutes ago, Bobref said:

The only player I distinctly remember was a 2-way player who was a RB and a LB. Don’t recall his name,  but I think he went to IU on a scholarship. Man, was he a load! I thought he was the best player on the field that night. One of the most physical HS football games I was ever a part of, and he was right in the thick of it.

Yes, that was the one I was talking about. Was a great RB and great LB!

6 minutes ago, 1st_and_10 said:

 

It was Jake Powers.  He played at IU.

His first name was escaping me, I knew the last name was Powers. Thank you!

1 hour ago, Bobref said:

Going to have to disagree with you there. Chatard was #1 and Danville #2 going into that Sectional Championship game. Both 11-0. Heritage Hills was only ranked #2 after Chatard had beaten Danville. Chatard beat HH by 7 in the semistate in Heritage Hills' own stadium. They beat Danville by a single point, when Danville scored with about 20 sec. left and decided to go for two -- and didn't make it. If they had kicked the extra point, we might still be playing. Those two teams were that evenly matched.

If anyone knows where I can retrieve archived Sagarin ratings from 2002, I'd be really intrigued to see what they have to say about it.

1 hour ago, Patriot 74 said:

So if we are going to agree to disagree that's fine.  From 2000-2002 HH was 41-2 with both losses coming to Chatard in the semi state game.  Not sure I believe that Danville was ranked ahead of HH anytime during that season.  And if we are playing the "what if" game like your two point conversion reference....HH was clearly in control of the semi state game running the football with Cole Seifrig, and up 14 points.  It wasn't until untimely mistakes in the passing game that occurred that undid HH in this one.  Had HH never thrown the football, the game may have ended up in a route by HH, who knows, but anyone who was at that game would agree with me.

From 1997-2002 Danville was 69-8 (2000-2002 they were 34-4) under Bob Copeland. 

They lost the Sectional Championship to Chatard in 97, 98, 01, and 02. In 99 they lost the State Championship to FW Luers and in 00 lost in Semi-State to Ev Mater Dei. Those were some darn good football teams Danville was pumping out.

@Bobref did that 2002 Danville team have a RB with last name of Powers?

1 hour ago, Olympian06 said:

New Pal will beat Whiteland by 4TD’s +... 

Sagarin and Calpreps had New Palestine as a 21 point favorite. I went a little more generous at 2 TD's, it definitely could be a 4 TD victory for the Dragon's. I guess I went with 2 TD's because with Whiteland running the fly offense they can limit possessions by shortening the game. It was all just a guess.

On 10/25/2019 at 8:02 PM, Temptation said:

 All I know is some touted Decatur Central as being a potential underdog in this bracket and they are working Plainfield right now up 35 in the first half in what most thought would be a competitive game...

Reason for pause Cathedral/New Pal supporters?

I was not surprised by the result of the Plainfield/Decatur Central game. It was a DC home game and they play very well at home. These are 2 opponents that are very familiar with each other. I do think playing in the first round for Decatur Central was a positive in building momentum and more snaps to sharpen their Offense and Defense. I personally think Decatur Central should cruise past T.H. North this Friday with another home game. I also think having a week off benefits Cathedral in getting any players that might be dinged up healthy. A week 9 game against Center Grove is a tough game, the 1 week rest will likely do some good. T.H. South is the better of the 2 T.H. schools and the Braves will be no slouch.

I hope both Cathedral and Decatur Central win Friday night. Always fun to watch the Hawks and Irish play, makes for some great games. Best of luck to both teams. New Pal will have a tough game at Whiteland, but I expect they will come away with a victory (I'll say 2 TD win). The Franklin Seymour game should be good. Franklin is much improved and even though the Owls 4-5 they have been very competitive! I think Sectional 14 has turned out to be a very solid Sectional, but I think the Dragons will come out unscathed to Regional they are a very good football team.

19 hours ago, dmizers3 said:

I agree with everything you said. I was just shocked by John Harrell's percentages.  

41 minutes ago, Temptation said:

 I too am shocked by this.   I will not pretend to know the formula but common sense would state that a high priority is placed on home field advantage and strength of schedule?

But then again Cathedral has no true home field which I’m sure the computer model does not recognize.

I mentioned earlier that  Lafayette Jeff being favored over Merrillville on the road despite having not played as tough of a schedule surprised me and means it also has to place a high priority on margin of victory, no?

I may be wrong, but I believe it is 100% based on the sagarin ratings to get the percentages. 

22 hours ago, dmizers3 said:

Surprised at how big a favorite Cathedral is in 5A.  I tend to agree they might be a slight favorite.  But its kind of shocking that they are as big a favorite as they are.  

I'm not sure if they are a favorite. I think New Pal and Cathedral are right there at the top as favorites in 5A. That being said, I think the numbers that the percentages come from are skewed only because of some of the conference opponents New Pal has (not in New Pal's control). Also there are 8 teams that can boost or drop for New Pal by the numbers in Sagarin and only 5 for Cathedral (since sagarin does not include out of state teams).

Actual talent and play between the 2 (New Pal and Cathedral) I think it's a toss up. Just my personal opinion.

16 hours ago, Irish Line Momma said:

Agreed.  It was not the same crew.  

14 hours ago, PHJIrish said:

No it was not.  The only Cathedral game with a lot of penalties was the Bishop Chatard game and that was not the same crew either.

I have seen all nine Cathedral games this year, including 3 in Cincinnati, and there was no problems with any personal fouls or unsportsmanlike conduct in any of them.  I only complain when a complaint is due, and this time complaints are due.

19 hours ago, JustRules said:

I do know it wasn't the same crew in both games.

Thank you @JustRules, @PHJIrish, @Irish Line Momma having not watched the Jeffersonville game and not knowing the crews between the 2 games the only information I had was what the CG webcast crew stated. I'm not sure why @Bobref took exception with that part of my post. I believe I even mentioned I've no way of knowing that for sure. It didn't have to be as big of a deal as it was made out to be. My observation of the calls in the game were from what I observed not what the webcast crew felt or stated. I only brought to light their statement about many flags thrown in the game against Jeffersonville. At any rate I posted video of the game for Bob to observe, I respect his observations of officiating mechanics so I will be interested to see what his thoughts are. Of course I understand this won't be the same as game film recorded by each team which would be better.

12 hours ago, Bobref said:

PHJ, you know I have immense respect for you. I can’t comment on whether any particular fouls were justified or not. My only point is that sheer numbers don’t say anything about whether the game was well-officiated or not. You don’t complain about officiating, so I take what you said very seriously. If there’s video available, I’ll be happy to look at it and tell you what I think. But until I see it, I’m giving the officials the benefit of the doubt, numbers notwithstanding.

Kickoff starts about 22 min in.

50 minutes ago, oldtimeqb said:

The biggest question for me is always can the EIAC defend the pass.  I haven't seen much on Mooresville this year but I'm sure Coach Gillin has the Pioneers slinging it around.

That is what the 23 vs 24 matchup always came down to over the years.  Evansville Central was able to hit a few passes over the top last year to beat EC.  In 2017, Ev Central was more of a ground oriented team, which was easily handled.  

In 3A, Lawrenceburg knocked off Danville in 2016, but struggled against Ev Memorial in 2017.

 

Having watched a couple Mooresville webcasted games and looking at the stats, the Pioneers appear to be balanced. Maybe a little more run than pass. Coach Gillin is an excellent Coach and they seem to take what the defense is giving them.

1,401 yds passing 17 TD's

1,927 yds rushing 26 TD's

3 minutes ago, FridayNightLights said:

I think Central wins over Memorial again. Central has unbelievable athletes all over the field and will also get a home game vs Memorial in the sectional championship. Still not a believer of Roncalli...although they will basically get a free pass to a semi state....i guess that's why we don't crown a champ now and we see how it plays out. 4A and 6A are going to be unpredictable. I think everyone is waiting to see the big regional matchup for 5A

Absolutely agree with that statement. I'm just suggesting possible teams that could pose problems for Mooresville or East Central got to that point.

The Central Memorial game was at Central in regular season was a 23-20 OT win for Central. I guess I was just thinking maybe Memorial would be extra motivated. Both will be tough outs in the tournament (Memorial and Central).

3 minutes ago, FridayNightLights said:

They'll get to play EC at home which is what I think makes the difference. I think the winner of those 2 has the path to state though

Still have Evansville Memorial possibly at Regional level. Possible Semi-State could be Roncalli whome obviously is much improved after they win over Guerin Friday night.

43 minutes ago, Magic 8 Ball said:

Mooresville has a tough road through the EIAC in Sectional 23.  Opening with a. I have improved SOuth Dearborn team and most likely facing the number 2 team in the state in East Central.

Fortunate for Mooresville they are in the Mid-State conference with some pretty darn good teams. We will see if it has battle tested them and prepared them well. If it comes to Mooresville vs East Central should be a great game.

If both East Central and Mooresville make it to the Sectional Championship, the Trojans will have to travel to the Pioneers.

1 hour ago, Bobref said:

Geez, if the webcast crew said it, it must be true.

There were flags that were definitely warranted. There were some where I felt it was excessive after watching the game. I don't complain about officiating much at all and I definitely had no dog in the fight.

.The comment about the webcast crew was that they said this same crew did the Cathedral/Jeffersonville game and it was mentioned to them they were excessive with their flags. Didn't watch that game have no idea, I have watched other games and haven't seen the problem through 6 other games. Not saying the officials are bad, but in my opinion you get different enforcements from different crews. 

I don't think the officials should be shredded. I also don't think a team should be stated  that there might be a problem when it hasn't been a problem in 6 other games I have watched (one of those being their most heated rival). Could be just the strict enforcement by that particular crew. It may be something they do consistently too through all games they officiate.

On 10/19/2019 at 6:39 PM, Trojanmp52 said:

after going to the freshman game and standing right next the field i agree that are disciplined in the way they play, but they are undisciplined in they way they act at times and run their mouths.  They got 3 PF calls on them 2 for something they said and could have got a few more and one was a very cheap shot.  Yes I know they are young men and  some times stuff happens but after watching the game Friday might and today their might be a problem

I don't feel there is a problem at all. I've caught at least 6 of the 9 games Cathedral has played either on live webcast or replay (Noblesville, Cincy Moeller, Cincy Elder, Chatard, Cincy St. X, Louisville Trinity, and Center Grove). No Unsportsmanlike conduct penalties and then several in the Center Grove game. I didn't get to watch the Jeffersonville game, but heard the Center Grove webcast crew mention this was the same crew from the Cathedral Jeffersonville crew (after the first penalty) and they mentioned this crew was flag happy. I wouldn't be able to say if it were true or not, but it did seem this crew threw quite a few flags (on both teams) more so than I have seen in many other games. So I wouldn't say it is a problem with the Irish players when they went from 8 games with no Unsportsmanlike Conduct to several in 1 game. Could be just the crew.

Bright future for Center Grove. They have totally improved from what I saw week 1 (Warren) and week 2 (New Pal). Their youth is growing up quickly! I will be interested to see what they can do come tournament time, Coach Moore is a great coach he will have his team ready. They play great defense don't let a lot of big plays go, and when the run game is clicking they can eat up clock! Jackson at QB is a gem that is looking good and still learning, he has quite the zip on his throws. Best of luck to the Trojans and Irish come tournament time.

14 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

man, I LOOKED for that darn link all day!!!

 

Thanks @FastpacedO 

No problem Coach! It took me a little while to dig and find it. 

3 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

is it Cathedral?   

 

used to have a link somewhere on the IFCA but cannot find anything any more.   Just was wondering.  

https://ifca.net/download/Recordbook-Final.pdf

9 hours ago, IrishFan1997 said:

Is there a link, only found their FB page with no link posted that I could find...Thanks in advance for your assistance 

Should be here come game time: https://www.centergrovefootball.com/live

56 minutes ago, Impartial_Observer said:

Yeaaaaah, they can, but transfers=$.

When this law was passed by the legislature, several schools publicly announced they would not accept transfers, Carmel was one of those schools. Schools like Carmel could probably afford that. I mean seriously if 10 kids transfer in, what's another 60K really going to matter to their coffers. Seymour also opted for the same policy, which wasn't the smartest thing they've ever done. At the time, Seymour was loosing athletes to Brownstown and Trinity Lutheran. Kids were leaving and paying tuition to go to school elsewhere. As vouchers came along a some of P/P schools opted not to accept vouchers, they feared it would leave them forced with abiding by the same rules publics had to abide by. All of that has since changed, school systems are after every nickel they can get. Several years back Brownstown put a billboard right in front of Seymour High School advertising "Free Tuition". It has become a numbers game, and schools want every kid they can get because it means more money. So honestly I get a chuckle every time I hear "well they can recruit", EVERY school in the state recruits. 

Amen! 

11 hours ago, DT said:

1.65 is the number that has been most widely used by states that have either utilized or considered The Multiplier

It also goes further in ensuring that the intended consequence (elevation to the next highest class) is indeed achieved.  1.5 does not always get the job the job done.

 

11 hours ago, DT said:

https://www.cleveland.com/highschoolsports/article/ohsaas-competitive-balance-referendum-the-latest-round-in-a-national-fight-between-public-and-private-schools/

Attached link gives Multiplier use by state.

Yet only 1 state is listed as using a 1.65 multiplier