FastpacedO

2 hours ago, StinkTownClown said:

Stinky, Stink, Stink 1.2..-43

The Clown tired to tell you all on 11-13!.

The Trojans are the real deal and yes they beat Daddy Ralphie

The only who may be shocked is Little Ralphie, or Blue Dragon to some in the EIAC.

Don't worry though Puff The Magic Blue Dragon's Ralphie

Has been quoted as saying, "dumbest defense ever by EC and I can exploit it once I get some athletes!"

 

STC dropping stinkers out here like they are Bit-O-Honey's and trying to lure @Lysander in!

8 minutes ago, turf tripper said:

I wasn't surprised really. I said in Temps poll, don't be surprised if ec wins by 40. They are that dominant.  Absolutely dominant offensive line play. With great athletes carrying the ball. Nice win ec!

I stand by what I stated. Nobody expected East Central to win 49-0. They may have expected a big East Central victory or even 40 point victory or a close victory for some. But nobody expected them to shutout New Pal because honestly Coach Ralph's teams have never been shutout.

13 hours ago, temptation said:

Got em.

The most egregious comment was "that game meant nothing to them for the playoffs in Ohio". They were sitting at 1-1 were going to get 0 points from Ben Davis (because they lost). Were likely not going to get many Level 2 points from FW Dwenger. The East Central game was extremely important for Harbin points!

Eventually Moeller was going to get zero points for Ben Davis, East Central, and Center Grove (because they lost) which put them in a terrible spot. Since they beat all of their GCL South opponents it put them in a better spot they still only got 5th in Region 4. They were fighting for their playoff lives after the CG game.

7 hours ago, Komets2727 said:

Northwood has some serious athletes so I doubt 49-0 is happening again…

We will find out Saturday November 25th at 3pm what Northwoods athletes have for the machine that is East Central. My first thought is Northwood is not ready for what they will see from East Central (physically along the lines as well as Brotherton and Ringer).

Interesting stat. East Central in the tournament is averaging 52.2 points and only giving up an average of 6.8 points. They have pitched shutouts in 2 of the 5 games (2 of the other 3 the opponent scored 7 points). Northwood is averaging 41.6 points and giving up an average of 17 points.

For the record while many picked East Central to beat New Palestine, nobody expected 49-0. This is the first time in Coach Ralph's 11 year coaching career at New Pal that the Dragons have been shut out (very impressive). In the tournament New Pal was averaging 44.75 points and only allowing 3 points.  

7 hours ago, temptation said:

Unbelievable game.

5 hours ago, BDGiant93 said:

We are in agreement.

At one point it seemed like Ben Davis had control of the game. Then Center Grove stormed back with a fury. That 4th qtr and Overtime was some very enjoyable football to watch. Ben Davis  like they have against Brownsburg and Cathedral made the plays when needed.

It did almost end in disaster when Ben Davis QB1 fumbled the ball, a BD player was Johnny on the spot (3 times) as that football was like a greased pig. Both teams left it all on the field. We will have a new State Champion for the first time in 3 years.

On 11/13/2023 at 6:47 AM, FastpacedO said:

Westfield is pretty balanced they have rushed for 1,583 yards 23 TD's. Their Jr. RB has 1,099 yards 9 TD's and QB can run if needed also has 9 TD's rushing. Passing the QB is a Sr and Head Coaches son, he has thrown for 2,039 yds. 20 TD's 7 Int's completing 64% of his passes. They have 221 attempted passes and have ran the ball 385 times pretty balanced. Their Defense is well tested having played: New Palestine, Lawrence Central, Brownsburg, Fishers, Carmel (mediocre this year), and HSE 2 times. They also did okay against Noblesville 2 times (running the offense Laporte ran with Dave Sharp), but Crown Point does not run that type of offense.

I think Westfield will win this game with a 28-14 or 35-20 type of game. 

When I am wrong I will admit it and eat my crow! Congrats to the Crown Point Bulldogs! They looked very solid!

As a prize they get to play Ben Davis in the State Championship. We shall see if they have anything for the Giants.

19 hours ago, HomeCookin said:

All credit to EC for beating Moeller, but that game meant nothing to them for the playoffs in Ohio. They rested some of their players most importantly Jordan Marshall. He played sparingly in that game. He then had 40 carries in the CG game which did matter for the playoff seeding. Comparing those games is not apples to apples.

This is NOT accurate. The East Central game meant just as much for Harbin points as the Center Grove game. You can find how the Harbin points system works here: https://www.ovathletics.com/forum/forum/ohio-valley-high-school-sports/football/13003-ohsaa-playoff-harbin-ratings-system

Jordan Marshall had 15 carries for 107 yds against East central, Moeller ran the ball only 24 times in that game. Once East Central jumped out to a 31-14 Moeller began to throw the ball more. Marshall played the entire game. The CG vs Moeller game was much tighter and they could still run the ball it went into OT.

You can watch the East Central vs Moeller game in its entirety here: 

41 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

So you are saying a fast 40-yard dash time is not a desirable trait for a football player?

 

I didn't see me type that. I do know during entance exams, parent/student interviews, registration (heck even filing for Financial aid) etc. 40 times aren't on any of the forms or questions. Neither are Punt, Pass, and Kick ratings or elementary school stats.

2 hours ago, Bobref said:

Just wondering. The people on the GID, it seems to me, are more likely than the average fan to attend in-person as opposed to enjoying the game in the comforts of their home via some broadcast medium. I’d like to informally test that hypothesis. Who’s going out tonight vs. staying home to watch? Your thoughts on the issue?

For what it’s worth, I’ll be at Decatur Central tonight.

 

Should make for an interesting Semi-State game. It will be tough to beat the Hawks at Devere Fair Stadium.

2 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Last Weekend, I watched all games I could from comfort of chair, it was glorious

Tonight, I shall be doing what John Denver so eloquently described, "leaving on a Jet Plane". 

Go Boilers

 

Wheel of Fortune again?

1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

But it sure is nice when the kid who walks through the p/p door with a very high IQ also runs a really fast 40 yard dash..................

 

Because we all know the P/P are killing it in the Track & Field State Finals.

8 minutes ago, Irishman said:

I agree as far as the assumptions go about controlling enrollment. The same can be said when the r word is thrown out when the term people are actually referring to is undue influence. And the difference between recruiting and undue influence is pretty significant. 

Exactly my thoughts. ALL P/P recruit students, not just athletes but every student that walks through that door was recruited. Some by even the best recruiters (their parents that are alumni). If they didn't the doors wouldn't be open. Heck even many of the township schools recruit now or days with Open Enrollment.

Undue influence is a whole different animal.

16 hours ago, ragdoll said:

Moeller playing for regional title in Ohio this week. 

They play Lakota West should be a pretty interesting game. Lakota West's 2 losses were first 2 games of the season to Cincy St. X and Princeton (whom was undefeated and Lakota West got revenge in the playoffs). Moeller has 4 losses this year to Ben Davis, East central, Center Grove, and St. Edwards (all are still playing in their tournament this weekend).

7 hours ago, Irishman said:

Sorry.....every single one does
Every single one has an admission/application process. That limits/restricts enrollment
Even with tuition assistance and vouchers, the cost to attend limits/restricts enrollment.

99.9% of them have little to no special needs population, and even the ones that do have very limited resources and have to turn away certain student they know they would not be able to serve effectively. That limits/restricts enrollment. 

Every one of them has a performance and behavior standard in place that would not be allowed in public schools. That limits/restricts enrollment.

The size of most buildings, including the number of classrooms and the number of seats available limits/restricts enrollment. 
These are not criticisms, but they are all realities. 

There you go again trying to sprinkle in actual facts. Like you have coached at P/P schools! 🤣😂

I personally think where some want to mention restricting enrollments, they feel they do it to stay in a specific class in sports. In reality classification of sports is not even a part of the decisions of why enrollment is restricted. All the things you've listed don't even sniff restricting enrollment for athletic classification. That in itself is the biggest thing lost in translation. Number of classrooms and seats is a big thing, heck some of the schools have already thrown up walls to split classrooms or made additions to appease a growing student body. Others are down in enrollment and desperately wanting viable students to fill the classrooms.

One thing is for certain if they have the room, the student can meet the criteria set out, and the parents can afford the tuition. They will gladly take them because each students tuition helps keep the doors open, lights on, and teachers / administrators salary paid. 

10 minutes ago, Titan32 said:

I'm afraid to say who, it is said that if you say his name three times in a chat forum he will magically appear!

Donnie Baker will say it right to your face. 

3 minutes ago, Donnie Baker said:

That boy named Cody 

2 hours ago, Lysander said:

I think that amounts to 3 points based on the way the IHSAA score keeps.  

Each progressive playoff victory, commencing with the Sectional Champuonship, adds another single point.  A Regional Championship adds 1 point to the 1 point from the Sectional Championship previously acquired for a running total of 2 points in totality you’ve earned if you win Regional.

That said, one change I’d suggest to the whole Success Factor dynamic is that the number of points required to stay up be reduced to 1…rather than 2.

I'm an over achiever 🤣

11 minutes ago, Whiting89 said:

So funny you guys argue about this and no mentions that private schools can restrict enrollment keeping the bad seeds out that is their biggest advantage end of story.

Lets be full on honest here. Any enrollment restricting is just to not over crowd the school (they can't accept more than "x" amount of students if they don't have room for "x" amount of students).  P/P don't need to restrict their enrollment to keep bad seeds out in all honesty because the bad seeds parents aren't going to pay $16,950 to be booted out of the school. In many cases the price tag alone deters the bad seeds parents from sending them there. You are correct Public schools (where there isn't that price tag) will have to accept them.

15 hours ago, Lysander said:

Chatard played EC during the regular season for a few years in a row just a few years back.  Frankly, between New Pal, Roncalli, Memorial, Reitz and Brebeuf any of them could win the South in 4A over Chatard.  Not to mention any number of other teams could rise.  4A South is a bear. 

Cathedral is dropping down to 5A?  Haven't they earned the prerequisite  2 points to stay up in 6A?

Yes,  2022 won Sectional (1 point) and Regional (2 points) lost semi-state. 2023 won Sectional (1 point) lost Regional. They have 4 points thus keeping them in 6A.

24 minutes ago, Just a dad said:

Astonishingly, it looked like they had never practiced the forward pass all year. It was unbelievable. They fell apart in the third quarter because they couldn’t throw the ball. I think they threw interceptions on three straight passes. Not possessions. Passes. I have spent the last year wondering why a coaching staff would spend an entire year in pursuit of a state championship and think that they could just run and play defense (I know Chatard circa 1956-2008 or whatever). It was as if they never thought that they would have to play from behind. Had they developed even a moderately complimentary passing game they probably win the state championship last year.

In Lawrenceburg's defense. The year prior they had a QB that ran their offense well and could throw the ball well when needed, he graduated. They lost to Gibson Southern (eventual State Champions) in a tight game in Regionals that year. The new QB ran the offense very well but wasn't as effective of a passer as the previous QB. They played to their strength the run though.

17 hours ago, foxbat said:

I don't think that's as big a problem as some might expect.  In the 18 seasons that I coached youth ball at LCC, we had six different varsity head coaches and an interim head coach.  We always talked with the varsity coaches to ask what they wanted us doing at the youth level to help them have a better varsity.  Almost everyone of them said, teach them how to tackle and block properly and safely, teach them about working together, make things fun and meaningful for them and we'll handle the formation stuff when they get to high school.  None of them told us to run the varsity formations and comments that I heard from a couple that made me laugh were "Heck, I don't even know if I'll be running the same formations by the time these kids gets to high school" and another jokingly alluded to the fact that there wasn't a guaranteed that he might still be employed as the head coach by the time the 3rd/4th graders got to high school.

A former coaching colleague of mine and I were talking before the LCC-LaVille game and reminiscing about how our main goal, as youth coaches, was to take some kid whose parents brought them out in 3rd grade to eventually move from the 3rd/4th grade practice field, to the 5th/6th grade practice field, to the junior high practice field, to the varsity practice field and eventually the varsity game field on Friday nights ... and most importantly, to make sure that we moved the moms with them.  If Mom's not happy, ain't nobody happy and it doesn't matter what formation you are running.

I sat in with a Jr League's meeting with the Head Coach of the Varsity High School team. All the Dad's (coaches) were up at arms and wanting to change the rules of what they ran, they wanted to run shotgun. The Head Coach of said program relayed exactly what you stated "teach them how to tackle and block properly and safely, teach them about working together, make things fun and meaningful for them". He said he didn't care if it was from I formation, shot-gun, wing t, single wing etc. Then he looked upon them as they were smiling and whispering back and forth and told them "I also don't want to see ranting and raving and kicking your hat around when your shot gun snaps shoot over your QB's head putting you in 2nd or 3rd and long" and laughed.

14 hours ago, RegionFBFan said:

If anyone thinks this is a slam dunk, they are way overconfident and underestimating CP. CP offensively can score against anyone. They are balanced and have a qb that can make plays. Defensively, as I and others have mentioned, the pass defense is horrendous and has been for the last three seasons. The front 7 are strong against the run. Weather should be cold but dry thus not impacting both teams passing attacks. I believe Westfield driving 2-2.5 hrs will have an impact on their performance.

This should be a close game. 

Easy there tiger just in 6A alone there are 2 pretty solid defense's that Crown Point hasn't played the likes of (Ben Davis and Center Grove). That is not including the lower classes East Central (also a very good defense) and Chatard (very good defense). The Bulldogs have a balanced offense but the they didn't light the scoreboard up against Valpo's defense.

It will be a good game and Crown Point will keep it respectable as this will not be a blowout. I've said I think Westfield will win in a 28-14 or 35-20 game. I feel the game won't be in doubt but it won't be a blow out. I think Westfield will hit some big plays to extend the lead and the rest of the game will likely be some back and forth battling. Regardless the winner of this game will have their hands full and then some against the winner of the Center Grove at Ben Davis game.

10 hours ago, Impartial_Observer said:

They have 12oz Grape Gatorade too. 

@Lysander has been banned from Menards, the last time Mrs. Lysander had to post missing flyers around the store so the manager has banned him!

9 hours ago, Muda69 said:

That would last him at least 1 half of a game. He has come a long way and made CJB proud!

7 hours ago, tango said:

Then what do you think it is? Just writing a check like some others?

We all know that signing your name to checks really advances the fundamentals of football! Honestly what cracks me up is that people really believe 7th and 8th graders are fully developed enough in football skills to be recruited and paid to play. You know they come out of middle school benching 350 lbs and running 40's in record times. I've been scouring the CTK and St. Matthews halls for those 6'6" 280 lbs lineman that don't need their skills honed with Lysander. To heck with chasing girls and going through puberty.

On to the game Knox is and will be physical, Chatard is and will be physical. The question will be can they do it for 4 quarters and respond to the other team doing it to them. I know Chatard can they have shown that with Cathedral, Roncalli, Guerin, and Elder. We will find out with Knox. Turnovers also will be key, no extra possessions. Knox does not want to and can not afford to get into a shootout with Chatard that will be a recipe for disaster. What Knox needs is to sustain long drives (to keep the ball out of Chatard's hand) and score, then force Chatard to go on long drives and not get chunk plays. If they can do that for 4 quarters without turnovers they have a good shot at winning. Easier said than done but that should be their plan. Chatard will play their style of physical football and limit turnovers taking advantage of any turnovers they force.

7 minutes ago, Bobref said:

I officiated a lot of big games in The Inferno. Great atmosphere. But by November, that field was hard as a rock. Very tough on the feet.

I believe I was there for a Lowell vs FW Dwenger game that you officiated once. Was a heck of a game.

1 hour ago, gonzoron said:

And don't forget the Music Department. They produced that famous rapper Vanilla Flav.

1 minute ago, Irishman said:

While some has been self inflicted, other societal issues are put on schools that they were never meant to handle are a HUGE problem. You also cannot ignore what politicians in the Statehouse are doing that negatively impact schools that serve predominantly poor communities. 

Yes and I mean exactly that with self inflicted. Only by definition they are public school impacted by the government decisions. Although also IPS in general has had poor leadership as well.