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45 minutes ago, MHS4Life said:

The 4 or 5 that we have came from a public school.  The rest on our roster went to our feeder p/p schools.

One of Evansville Memorials transfer from a Public School is the Athletic Directors son. Pretty good reason for the transfer and no issue with the IHSAA. I should also state the new AD is also a Memorial Alumni.

6 minutes ago, MHSTigerFan said:

The player in question is one of my son’s best friends.  I encouraged him to report it.  He didn’t want to - which I understood.  And I certainly don’t think it’s my place to do so.

I was just surprised at how blatant it was - and the fact the coach felt comfortable doing it in writing, no less.

7 hours ago, Lysander said:

Everybody NE, NW and SW p!sses and moans about not getting any respect.  

These are generally big@ss populations (I observe as a small town kid) crying about
 

Don't hate me but it's Friday Funday. Do those big@ss populations get big gas discounts?

6 hours ago, Lysander said:

Just check out southeast Indiana.  20 squirrels, 10 deer and a school bus driving 3 miles between pickups on a gravel road. 

East Central is basically a P.O. Box that gets checked once a week.

That is one big@$$ P.O. Box on I-74 I pass just before reaching the Ohio border!

13 hours ago, Bash Riprock said:

Little bit of a misleading stat...given strength of schedule plays very much into those numbers.  What does stand out to me if BD's performances against Moeller, Carmel and Larry North.  BD dropping 62 on a pretty darn good Larry North team really raised my eyebrows.  No question BD has an excellent QB and excellent team.  But they are very fortunate to be heading into the regional, as I still believe they got some help from Brownsburg.  (another excellent team)

If I had to put money on this game, I would put it on BD...I think most would.  But, never count out the Irish...and it will come down to the team that makes the least mistakes.

They both are relatively close in SOS. Sagarin (without out of state opponents) has Ben Davis at 79.87 (16th) and Cathedral 81.45 (15th). Calpreps (including out of state opponents higher the number better the SOS) has Ben Davis at 40.4 (opponents 55-60) and Cathedral 34.8 (Opponents 67-50) pretty close to a wash.

BD dropping 62 on LN was definitely eyebrow raising. The Wildcats threw 5 Int's and had a fumble in that game something that was detrimental to them, you can't give BD that many possessions or a short field.

Sometimes it takes that kind of game get a little bit of luck on your side, can even give a wake up call.

I am sure most would and I believe most are picking the Giants in this one, rightfully so Ben Davis has been a terrific team this year. The Irish haven't been exactly stellar against Ben Davis the last couple of meetings between the two. The Irish will need a great defensive effort like last week maybe even better, and will need their Offense to play better than last week to have a shot. I am not sure what to expect, but I know both teams will play very hard regardless.

6 hours ago, Lysander said:

…..but Reitz (public)?

Without naming particular parties. The whole public/private thing is tiresome as regards the “recruiting” thing.  

Public school recruiting of hoops players is legendary in Indiana.  People literally brag about it.

You mean to tell me there wasn't something in the water to produce 7 footers north of Fort Harrison State Park? 

15 hours ago, BTF said:

I'm referring to the outside district where IPS athletes are more than likely going. Schools close in proximity like Ben Davis and Warren Central. Maybe the reason IPS schools are among the state's worse has something to do with Lutheran and maybe some other Indy PP's. 

If Lutheran were to have anything to do with Public schools losing kids (which it does not) it would be affecting Southport, Beech Grove, Franklin Central, and maybe Greenwood.  Lutheran has been around since 1976 and has a whopping enrollment of 225.

Even some of your bigger P/P's would have more of an effect on Township schools than IPS. I am being 100% honest when I say IPS leadership is its worst enemy, and busing was the beginning of the death nail to IPS.

Heck Cathedral is literally 5 minutes from Arlington. In 1999 Arlington took Ben Davis to the brink (losing the game 16-15 by a long FG). They beat Cathedral 21-20 in OT that year and Cathedral went on to win State as did Ben Davis. The IPS and their leadership are the reason for closure of Arlington, Broad Ripple, and Northwest. Placing all those eggs in the Arsenal Tech basket worked for basketball not so much for football.

10 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:

Only three Ben Davis teams have averaged more points (42) than this year's Giants...

2017 (47.4)

1991 (46.5)

2001 (43.3)

I think the Giants have executed well to this point with an excellent QB, too. 

The Giants have an excellent QB as well.

Offensively Ben Davis is averaging 42 PPG Cathedral 36.36

Defensively Ben Davis is allowing 16.82 PPG and Cathedral 17.27

1 minute ago, BDGiant93 said:

Some PP Catholic schools are tied to specific parishes. Ritter, Roncalli, Chatard, Scecina for ex. are tied to parishes. Cathedral and Brebeuf Jesuit are not. 

That is correct there still are kids from Public school that attend the Parochial schools not in large numbers though. Same with the Private schools they have a larger percentage of Catholic students than public students, but being private they also have a larger amount of public students than Parochial. Also at the private schools you will see more public students from the Carmel, Westfield, Lawrence, Fishers area than IPS.

21 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

High school kids...mistakes are frequently a key part of the game.

Very bold statement....Cathedral teams execute and they have an outstanding QB...with some guys that can catch it.

BD may win, but I think this will be a hard fought game.

In all seriousness there are definitely position Cathedral will have to counteract the Ben Davis talent advantage, but I wouldn't say every position. There has been a consistent weakness this year for the Irish, and improving that weakness would make their defense much much better. It made some strides last week, but they can't afford a let down this week as Ben Davis is a extremely talented team. Ben Davis is definitely the favorite in this no doubt. The Irish will have to play very well, not turn the ball over while getting turnovers, and have some intangibles on their side.

1 hour ago, BTF said:

I'm referring to the outside district where IPS athletes are more than likely going. Schools close in proximity like Ben Davis and Warren Central. Maybe the reason IPS schools are among the state's worse has something to do with Lutheran and maybe some other Indy PP's. 

Think of Warren Central and Ben Davis similar to Carroll and Homestead. Homestead and Carroll are not part of Fort Wayne Public Schools just like Warren Central, Pike, North Central, Lawrence North, Lawrence Central, Southport, Perry Meridian, Speedway, Franklin Central, and Ben Davis are not part of IPS. The Private/Parochial schools have been around (earliest 1918 Cathedral) even during the hayday when Arsenal Tech, Howe, Washington, etc. were doing very good.

The decline of IPS was a direct result of busing and it has never recovered. From 1973 to 1998 IPS student enrollment plummeted by 64,000 students. It had zero to do with recruiting.

8 minutes ago, BTF said:

I bet South Side goes 5-0 against the Indy publics. I'm not saying recruiting doesn't occur in Fort Wayne, because it absolutely does. But there's more of a balance in Fort Wayne from the bottom to the top. There is zero balance in Indy. Either your top ten in the state or you're bottom ten. There doesn't seem to be an in between like there is in Fort Wayne. How did Indy Lutheran become so good so fast? Just a bunch of good ol Lutheran boys working hard? I'm not so sure. 

There are no Indianapolis Public Schools IPS that are anywhere close to being Top Ten in the State. 

3 minutes ago, kdets89 said:

Why is South Side terrible at football?  Could it be that the parents of talented kids in the surrounding neighborhoods decide to send their kids to Snider or Luers?  Do these same parents convince other parents to do the same?  Probably not a single Snider/Luers coach involved.  Same thing applies in Indy, just 3x the scale.

Agreed, add in IPS is a mess even in leadership. The IPS is the IPS's worst enemy and has nothing to do with recruiting from P/P or BD and WC. Numerous incompetent decisions made (too many to list). Rest easy though they have putt all their eggs in the Arsenal Tech basket. It starts with leadership and trickles on down.

2 minutes ago, Impartial_Observer said:

I will just say this, Ben Davis’s rise to state and national prominence seemed to coincide with Washington HS closing. But I’m getting old and my memory ain’t what it once was. 

Ben Davis's State and National prominence was there long before Washington High School closed the first time in 1995. Their National Title came in 1991 Dick Dullaghan started coaching at BD in 1984 and that is when they really began to take off.

Busing though really was the start of the death nail to IPS schools.

8 minutes ago, BTF said:

Disagree. Advantage Irish. I've been watching football long enough to know that inclement weather equalizes things when two teams of different caliber and strengths square off. 

Except it didn't turn out that way a couple of years ago. 

7 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

Plus, leave the grass high and run the sprinklers 24 hours prior...makes for a nice sloppy, slow running surface.

Only bad thing with that is it makes it slow and sloppy for both teams. May slow up the opponent, but if you were already slower it will slow you down even more. Then you would really be "Stuck in the mud" 😂

9 hours ago, Slobberknocker said:

Ben Davis game to lose I will go with BD wining 35 - 14. Ben Davis will stop the Iresh run game an bring presser that Irish cannot handle. 

Ben Davis did solid against the run when playing Brownsburg, gave up a couple of big runs but Brownsburg's RB was really good. Ben Davis gave up some long passes but locked down in the 4th quarter making plays. Cathedral ran the ball more against Lawrence North than they typically do. The Giants can create problems for the Irish Offense, the Irish will have to play a whale of a game Offensively to have a shot. The Irish defense has done well against the run all year, but the Giants have a quick back in Price and the QB runs very hard when needed so the Irish will have 2 runners to focus on. Secondary has been the Irish weak spot all year, they played pretty solid against LN, and a lot of that had to do with the pressure applied to the QB while trying to keep him from making big plays with his legs. The Irish would need to have a great game from their secondary again as the Giants can hit big plays in the passing  game as their QB has a great arm and Zachary is very scary.

Should be a great game. I think many Irish and Giants fans will be wondering which Giants or Irish team shows up Friday. They will be entertained none the less. Last week I expected Ben Davis to destroy Pike. Watched the Cathedral vs Lawrence North game expecting a Offensive shootout and it ended up being a defensive battle. Don't fully know what exactly we will see from Ben Davis and Cathedral, but having watched both play they will both play hard throughout.

20 minutes ago, temptation said:

Can we really call it “home field advantage” in this case?

Should have booked it for Arlington. It would be nice and dark by about 6pm. Would be an interesting game to watch. 😂🤣

It is on the website

https://www.ihsaa.org/sports/boys/football/2023-24-tournament?round=state-finals

38 minutes ago, temptation said:

There it is!!!!

How does the SEC dominate the CFP annually then?

SEC teams do schedule some cream puffs for non Conference games

1 hour ago, AllGutsNoGlory said:

They are bringing in additional seating thank Goodness! 

@AllGutsNoGlory only joking my friend but it was irresistible

1 minute ago, AllGutsNoGlory said:

And they have traveled well for all of the Road games. I have been at everyone, so for him to say they don't travel well enough to fill those tiny stands is an insult. The people who need to be there will be there and it will be more than enough!

I don't think he was insulting Ben Davis just was stating they hadn't traveled with a large fan base. He may be incorrect.

These D-2 and D-3 colleges don't have large visitor sections because honestly road teams don't bring large fan bases to away games so they are unnecessary.

1 hour ago, AllGutsNoGlory said:

How many games have where BD was on the Road? Moeller was a great showing of fan support in OHIO! So a trip to the southside is nothing! The stands were nearly filled at Pike last week. My family alone will take up those tiny stands. 

Ben Davis has played 4 out of 11 games on the road. This week will make 5 out of 12.

5 hours ago, Grover said:

Will teams have access to lockers?

Deion "Primetime" Sanders probably wouldn't be okay with that if it were at Colorado stadium after what they went through! 😂

2 hours ago, BTF said:

I appreciate your passion for high school football. It's the one thing we all have in common. But I think you're putting too much emphasis on these computer rankings. 

No just gave a percentage of the predictor and listed all of them so we can see how accurate it comes out. They've been batting at about 85% for the year which is pretty darn solid. I personally go by what I see on the field (teams weakness / strengths) not a computer ranking. I can 100% tell you Calpreps  Computer model bests my guess by about 20-25%. especially later in the year.

20 minutes ago, WCGrad92 said:

what schools are these final 4 supposed to feed into?

 

I think i found it,  St Michael East Deanery(Scecina)

St Pius X North Deanery (Chatard)

St Michael/Gabriel (Ritter)

I do not find a St Louis de Montfort except St Louis School in Batesville???

 

Grats to these 4 teams, I know the CYO league can be stacked.

The St. Michael Red is West Deanery (will feed into Ritter, Chatard, Brebeuf, and Cathedral)

St. Louis de Montfort is in Fishers part of Diocese of Lafayette (will feed into Guerin Catholic, Chatard, Brebeuf, and  Cathedral)

Our Lady of Grace is in Noblesville and also a Lafayette Diocese school (will feed into Guerin, Chatard, Brebeuf, and Cathedral)