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23 hours ago, Ballhawk said:

Westfield should be favored, but with the game being at Crown Point it could have an effect.  HSE went to Carroll as favorites last year and got knocked off, so the bus ride and travel distance could even it up.

Did Crown Point extend the field to 180 ft sideline to sideline and 360 ft goal line to goal line instead of 160 ft and 300 ft?

Interesting facts

Center Grove has won the last 8 meetings between Center Grove and Ben Davis and 11 of the last 13 meetings. At one time the Giants held a 10-2 advantage over the Trojans (in 2006). The Trojans now lead the series 19-15 over the Giants. In 2006 Ben Davis beat Center Grove 4-3, that is a odd Final Score of a game you don't see too often!

22 hours ago, RegionFBFan said:

In my opinion, his issue was not lack of receivers this year but their offensive line looked bad vs BD.

Ben Davis has made many Offensive Lines look bad. Coming into the game they had 44 or 45 sacks on the year. Had O'Neil not suffered a knee injury he probably eludes some of those sacks in the 4th quarter like he did in the first half. There is no shame though Ben Davis' front 7 are THAT GOOD!

55 minutes ago, HNACReaper said:

Gotcha, I forgot that the sagarin has never been wrong and the projected winner always wins!  Honestly, we should probably just save everyone the risk of injury and anoint Chatard champs now.  
I don’t think that Knox thinks that at all.  I think that every team left should think they can win and if they don’t, they don’t belong here anyway. 

Chatards schedule is impressive and it is obviously why they are favored but I wouldnt instantly dismiss a team because their schedule, which they have no control over, is “weak”. 
If Chatard had the exact same team they have now but were from Royal Center you would still be praising whomever they were playing and have no idea because of their weak schedule.

You can only control whats in front and when it boils down, its two teams and the one that executes will win regardless of what their weak schedule or sagarin says.  

I would give Knox a punchers chance if they were running Coach Radtke's Wishbone and playing at Broad Ripple. Due to IHSAA restrictions and @Lysander chagrin the Semi-State playing days at Broad Ripple are no longer. The Knox Redskins get to play at the shiny new (well not brand new but newish) palace at Kessler Blvd and Crittenden Ave instead of the pasture 1 mile Northwest from Chatard where bloodied knees and elbows were born.

In all seriousness it is not probable that the Redskins will upset the Trojans but it's not impossible. The beauty of it is that's why we play the games they will have the chance to try and beat Chatard and getting that chance is all you can ask for. Now if only we could petition for a one last hurrah at Broad Ripple Ave and Compton St. all would be right in the @Lysander household!

On 11/11/2023 at 1:16 PM, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

I would like to think that Penn did not put their best foot forward in the Cathedral game. I would hope that the team that never gave up last night would show up if they had could play Cathedral all over again. But, all we have to go by is what happened. 

When Penn leveled the game at 20 and got the ball back after forcing the second punt (in two drives, in the 3rd quarter) by CP, there was a feeling on the Penn side that we were going to move down the field and score and take control. Penn fumbles on a QB/RB exchange, something we had not seen all season long. CP recovers scores and then scores again. Now Penn's backs were against the wall. Down 14, at home all the momentum on the other side. Penn of seasons past would have folded. This team rallied from down 14 twice, and missing 2xpt opportunities and a field goal, just wont get the job done. 

I think CP will score on Westfield, especially the game being at home. The CP fans had a good showing at Penn last night, and were loud. Westfield will be in a fight, I just think they need to limit the long third down conversions, something CP was pulling off all night long. 

In my Opinion Westfield is a better passing team than Penn. They have a pretty solid WR and TE , and they run the ball very well. Their defense has seen some of the State's top WR's and RB's this season: JonAnthony Hall (Fishers), Donovan Hamilton (HSE), Eugene Hilton (Zionsville), Corey Smith (Brownsburg), Caydin Olinger (Brownsburg), Damarcus Cole (Lawrence Central), Garrett Sherrell (Brownsburg), Logan Shoffner (Noblesville), Khobie Martin (Fishers), Jalen Alexander (HSE).

Crown Point will 100% be a worthy opponent (I do not see this being a blowout). They will score some points but I feel Westfield will score more and be capable of stopping Crown Point enough times to extend a lead. I foresee this being a 28-14 or 35-20 type of game.

Calpreps had Westfield (IN) 31 (73%), Crown Point (IN) 22 (27%). I don't pay attention to the scores on there much but do look at the percentages. I just feel Crown Point isn't going to bring anything Westfield hasn't played against already.

21 hours ago, RegionFBFan said:

Does Westfield have a good passing attack?

CP is going to score some points. They love to run power but can throw it around too. CP defensive secondary is awful. It has been the past 2 years. If Westfield can throw and slow down CP’s offense, Westfield wins.

Westfield is pretty balanced they have rushed for 1,583 yards 23 TD's. Their Jr. RB has 1,099 yards 9 TD's and QB can run if needed also has 9 TD's rushing. Passing the QB is a Sr and Head Coaches son, he has thrown for 2,039 yds. 20 TD's 7 Int's completing 64% of his passes. They have 221 attempted passes and have ran the ball 385 times pretty balanced. Their Defense is well tested having played: New Palestine, Lawrence Central, Brownsburg, Fishers, Carmel (mediocre this year), and HSE 2 times. They also did okay against Noblesville 2 times (running the offense Laporte ran with Dave Sharp), but Crown Point does not run that type of offense.

I think Westfield will win this game with a 28-14 or 35-20 type of game. 

16 hours ago, HomeCookin said:

I’d have to disagree. Cherry had time to throw, but played poorly. That was easily his roughest game of the season, but not because he was under pressure. 

No dog in the fight. He will get pressured from Ben Davis and likely even sacked a couple of times. Ben Davis likes to bring it and are very effective at doing so. 

That being said Ben Davis bringing pressure and the blitz at times will leave some open big plays that CG could hit. Timely screens can work too. Sometimes it is a gamble Ben Davis likes to gamble and bring relentless pressure at times in hopes it they get to the QB, but on the flip side it can leave some wide open pass plays if they hit quick enough.

4 minutes ago, BTF said:

I'd say throw travel out the window. History shows that Indy teams traveling up north doesn't affect them a fraction of an iota. 

I also agree with Goldrush1985. Transitive property can go out the window as well. Using that as a gage could result in tragic mistake for Westfield. 

I'm thinking the Rocks by 10. 

Let me repeat there. was. no. transitive. property. used.

Transitive Property = USA beat Mexico and Mexico beat Canada so by transitive property USA beat Canada.

Nowhere in there has Westfield played anyone that beat Crown Point or Penn. It is NOT transitive property. I've watched Penn play Cathedral (in person) and I have watched 2 Crown Point games (on film). I have seen multiple (4 to be exact 2 on film 2 in person) Westfield games. If you want more in depth I can give it. I stand 100% by what I stated. It won't be a blow out more of a 28-14, 35-20 type of game with Westfield winning. If I am wrong I will eat crow.

For Pete's sake can the "transitive property" be put to rest as it wasn't even used.

5 minutes ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

Can't use transitive property, it means squat . 

There was no transitive property used.

55 minutes ago, Boilernation said:

And I hope the Irish faithful look back fondly on O’Neils final game as a QB in what seems like 7 seasons of football. That kid took a beating last night and fought to the final whistle. 
 

 

AMEN! Even watching a replay of his last play that was Intercepted. He put that ball in a good spot. TE just leaped a tad bit too early allowing it to sail over his fingers into 2 defenders. He gave it everything he had in that game and while being hurt never panicked.

19 minutes ago, jets said:

Was watching a little bit of the Warren/CG game last night that was tight throughout- and it got me thinking…

What are some of the biggest “upsets” that have taken place in the IHSAA football tournament?? 
 

I know we rarely have the #1 ranked team win in all classes so technically you could say they happen every year- but I’m talking “super teams” everyone just assumed were going to walk thru the tourney??

I fancy myself a historian somewhat of high school football and really- I couldn’t come up with many. The Zachary teams that everyone thought would dominate did…Anthrops LCC teams did, Kisner Pioneer teams- same. Warren Central with Tardy…yup. Banks with Ben Davis, they won it. Heck even as far back as Grossman with BS. 
 

 

2000 Center Grove beat Ben Davis 30-28 in Semi-State. Ben Davis was led by James Banks, but Center Grove stunned them at Ben Davis in the Semi-State. Ben Davis had beaten CG in the regular season 29-14. CG went to their first State Championship and lost to Penn 21-0.

2000 also Plainfield beat Cathedral 14-7 in Sectional Semi-Final. Plainfield was good and undefeated for sure, but most fully expected Cathedral to win that game. Cathedral won State in 1998 and 1999, the Irish were undefeated coming into the game led by Otis Shannon. Plainfield stunned everyone that night. Plainfield went on to make it to the State Championship losing to East Noble 28-7.

There was almost another one in 5A in 1999 when Arlington had Ben Davis on the ropes in Regionals. Arlington led the game 15-13 with seconds to go. Ben Davis kicked a long FG (I want to say 50 yarder but my memory escapes me) to win the game 16-15. Ben Davis went on to beat Penn in the State Championship game eventually 27-3. Had Arlington won that game it would have been an upset.

2 hours ago, BTF said:

I'm intrigued by Crown Point. I'll say it right here right now, I'm expecting them to give Westfield a run for their money. 

This is my personal thought only and won't be a popular opinion. After watching Cathedral put a running clock on Penn 35-0 at half 35-6 final (Penn had a PR for TD late in the game), and Crown Point struggle to a 34-33 win over the Kingsmen I don't foresee Crown Point being a threat to Westfield. I don't think CP will get blown out but more like a 28-14, 35-20 type of game. Westfield has to travel to Crown Point which is a positive for CP.

Granted I know Penn has likely improved since playing Cathedral and Crown Point has improved, but I believe Westfield has improved as well . Outside of the Brownsburg and Zionsville game Westfield has been pretty solid all year long.

1 hour ago, Grover said:

My dad lives there and that's what he calls it too.  Didn't realize Coach D was there.

They don't have a football team yet. I am think Coach D is waiting for Coach K to retire and move down there to start up a football team in "The Villages" he already has the portable megaphone ready to pull out of the drawer!

4 minutes ago, temptation said:

17-6 for me also…Temp’s poll coming after today’s 3A game.

One thing of note. With Bo Polston back for Decatur Central, that is not great news for 5A. I wasn't sure if he would be coming back when he went down against Whiteland earlier in the year. Decatur Central without Polston was mediocre, with him though they are pretty solid! Bloomington South at Decatur Central should be a good one. I will take the Hawks since they are playing at home with a trip to Lucas Oil.

7 minutes ago, temptation said:

The BD DB (whose name is currently escaping me) who had the game clinching INT was all over the place and had his name called all night it seemed…also had a couple of nice punt returns.

Contreras was the name and he did have a couple of nice punt returns. Weird game on the kicking side with onside and pop up kicks, fake punts, big punt returns. While Zachary's name gets mentioned a lot Contreras is a stud at his safety position.

Results:

A PLAYOFFS Result 3 out of 4 and 50/50 was spot on close game
Adams Central 87% Carroll (Flora, IN) 13% Result: Adams Central 29 Carroll 0
Lutheran 81% Providence 19% Result: Lutheran 14 Providence 7
North Judson 60% Park Tudor 40% Result: North Judson 44 Park Tudor 26
North Decatur 57% Sheridan 43% Result: Sheridan 24 North Decatur 20

2A PLAYOFFS  Result 2 out of 4 and 50/50 was 2 for 3 on close games
Bluffton 73% Bishop Luers 27% Result: Bishop Luers 15 Bluffton 7
Lafayette Central Catholic 58% LaVille 42% Result: Lafayette Central Catholic 22 LaVille 0
Southmont 58% Eastern Hancock 42% Result: Southmont 41 Eastern Hancock 34
Triton Central 58% North Posey 42% Result: North Posey 28 Triton Central 13

3A PLAYOFFS Result 3 for 3 still awaiting 4th game which is also 50/50 game
Heritage Hills 61% Batesville 39% Result: Heritage Hills 24 Batesville 21
Bishop Chatard 98% Delta 2% Result: Bishop Chatard 35 Delta 6
Gibson Southern 53% Tri-West Hendricks 47% Result: Still waiting
Knox 60% West Lafayette 40% Result: Knox 41 West Lafayette 23

4A PLAYOFFS Result 4 out of 4 50/50 was not completely accurate
East Central 96% Reitz Memorial 4% Result: East Central 47 Reitz Memorial 7
Leo 74% Mississinewa 26% Result: Leo 41 Mississinewa 7
New Palestine 90% Mooresville 10% Result: New Palestine 39 Mooresville 6
NorthWood 57% New Prairie 43% Result: Northwood 38 New Prairie 14

5A PLAYOFFS Result 2 of 4 50/50 was spot on  both misses were 50/50 games
Bloomington South 84% Evansville North 16% Result: Bloomington South 42 Evansville North 21
Decatur Central 77% Whiteland 23% Result: Decatur Central 41 Whiteland 7
Valparaiso 58% Merrillville 42% Result: Merrillville 24 Valparaiso 20
Mishawaka 58% Snider [R. Nelson] 42% Result: Snider [R. Nelson] 19 Mishawaka 18

6A PLAYOFFS Result 3 of 4 50/50 games were spot on the one miss was a 50/50
Crown Point 53% Penn 47% Result: Crown Point 34 Penn 33
Ben Davis 80% Cathedral 20% Result: Ben Davis 27 Cathedral 24
Hamilton Southeastern 57% Westfield 43% Result: Westfield 24 Hamilton Southeastern 21
Center Grove 97% Warren Central 3% Result: Center Grove 14 Warren Central 0

Result: 17-6 73.9% with 1 game remaining.

Definitely better than my percentage would have been.

7 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

I still can't get out of my head THE AMAZING CATCH Slaughter #8 for Cathedral made at the 1 yard line!! Anyone who didn't watch that game needs to go back and watch it just for that 1 catch, it was truly amazing. He jumped in the air with the defender there catches it then pins it to the defenders helmet/shoulder pads on the way down all the way to the ground maintaining possession. Definitely a highlight reel.

The photo doesn't quite do it justice as it was prior to the catch.

5 hours ago, PHJIrish said:

Everyone who attended this game got their money's worth!  It was a classic!  The BD kicker won in with a 40 yarder with 2:38 left.  

It's hard to win when you turn the ball over 4 times against a very good Giant team!  Good luck to the Giants next week against Center Grove here on the west side.

It was a joy to watch Danny O'Neil for three years.  He may not of had his best game tonight, but he went down slinging!  

O'Neil was tough as nails last night. His first Interception (pick 6) was the fault of the WR not his. He would have been much more effective had he not sustained the knee injury in the 3rd qtr. He was still effective but he couldn't escape some of the pressure late in the game at times as his knee got worse. I commend him for gutting it out and still making plays.

The Irish defense I thought played outstanding giving up only 20 points to a Ben Davis team averaging 42 points per game. It should have been only 13 points given up as right before the half Ben Davis got a TD pass after being gifted a first down from the officials when the Irish stopped Ben Davis on 4th and short that wasn't even close. Officiating struggled with spotting the ball the entire game. The Irish still made several big time 4th down stops.

I still can't get out of my head THE AMAZING CATCH Slaughter #8 for Cathedral made at the 1 yard line!! Anyone who didn't watch that game needs to go back and watch it just for that 1 catch, it was truly amazing. He jumped in the air with the defender there catches it then pins it to the defenders helmet/shoulder pads on the way down all the way to the ground maintaining possession. Definitely a highlight reel.

Ben Davis' kicker got redemption kicking that 40 yarder after missing his first FG of the game. The one player that aside from the kicker that played lights out was the BD running Back Price. He fought hard even though the Irish were keeping him at bay most of the game. His TD run was huge and he had a big time short pass he turned into major yards.

Both teams definitely left it all out on the field in all 3 aspects of the game. Ben Davis escaped healthier from this game than Cathedral would have with O'Neil banged up. The Center Grove at Ben Davis game will be another good one

10 hours ago, First_Backer_Inside said:

And I said I never saw it that way until Foxbat explained it in further detail. Never been involved with a p/p school. I've just always been told they recruit and bring in transfers and that's why they are always as successful as they are, unfair advantages they have, etc..., 

Step one is admitting you have a problem. All kidding aside most of what people say is just assumptions, accusations, etc. They have no clue haven't stepped foot in the doors and have nothing to back up their claims. Most of it is "so and so said that so and so (insert any recruit allegation). Gather a group of 20 people whisper a true fact in one persons ear and tell them to pass it on, by the time you get to the 20th person you would be amazed at how twisted what you said became.

10 hours ago, First_Backer_Inside said:

When explained like this I can understand and support the non transfer idea. The way I see it though, p/p's don't have a true elementary or middle school most times than not. So when they come from a "feeder school" that they still have options on where to go and they choose a p/p, I see that as them transferring in as freshman. Others may not see it that way but that's what I see it as. Again I understand many especially those more linked to p/p's don't see it that way but just my opinion on the matter. 

Just because they have options doesn't mean they aren't a feeder school. Public School kids have options too in the major cities in Indiana does that make them not a true feeder school to the local public school? Open Enrollment is another animal in and of itself.

7 hours ago, WestfieldRocks said:

Some kid named George McGinnis was a hell of a football player for him.

Yes! So was Larry Highbaugh and many more. Do you think Coach Springer and the basketball coach had some disagreements when it came to some of these players🤣?

1 hour ago, WestfieldRocks said:

Back in my day, Manual, Tech, Broad Ripple, Washington, Attucks, and even Northwest were very good in sports. This was the late 60's, early 70's. You are correct about it ruining not only their identities, but their feeling of community. As a kid, I remember Broad Ripple's run to the title game of the 1963 Semi State, where they lost to Muncie Central. After they won what then was one of the toughest sectional in the state, the one at Butler, the entire Broad Ripple community and area where those kids lived were decked out, businesses with signs, banners, all in orange and black. Fast forward to their 1980 state championship run. Almost nothing like that was seen. Many of the kids on that team did not live in the area. The feeling of the community was not the same.

Washington High School was still pretty good until Coach Springer retired and his traditional T formation left with him. Talk about a man that coached some studs in his career! 

1 hour ago, temptation said:

Let's ride @Rodney...Irish in a thriller.

1 minute ago, tango said:

We recruited the heck out of the AD.. 

How many of you all showed up at Thanksgiving and Christmas to offer Turkey and Ham?!