FastpacedO

7 hours ago, BDGiant93 said:

Cathedral had better not overlook the Wildcats. 

I doubt they will since Coach Peebles is very familiar with them from Coaching at Lawrence Central and his comments on broadcasts about both Lawrence schools being athletic and talented. Even without overlooking them Lawrence North will present some difficult challenges with their WR's vs Cathedral's DB's. Should be a very good game and honestly could be a coin flip game.

15 hours ago, scarab527 said:

I’m sorry but Chatard beat Cathedral…if they’re healthy they’re not getting touched in 3A. Their QB went down against Guerin and that’s what made it so close. They play again healthy I doubt it’s as close.

Chatard vs Cathedral is just different. It is a rivalry game that anything can happen no matter which one looks more dominant. There has been about everything happen in games between the Trojans and Irish. Even the game itself was wild between momentum shifts, the lights going out at Arlington, the move to play Saturday at Chatard. Even the transitive property comparison has never worked.

Chatard vs Roncalli @ Chatard 14-7 (Chatard)

Chatard vs Cathedral (1/2 @ Arlington 1/2 @ Chatard) 24-21 (Chatard)

Cathedral vs Roncalli @ Roncalli 42-0 (Cathedral)

Chatard is very good and they aren't flashy. They very well could be 3A State Champions, but they aren't so dominant that no other team has a shot. It won't be easy for any team in 3A to beat them, but it is also not a given.

On 10/11/2023 at 7:46 AM, Boilernation said:

No offense taken. It's all subjective opinions anayways that can't be solved by Sagarin ratings. For example, LaPorte at 173 beat New Prairie at 65.

 

I only used sagarin as a base point. Although sagarin is at about the best it can be I prefer to look at Calpreps because of the total ignore of Out of State opponents by sagarin (which is why Center Grove and Ben Davis' strength of schedule is that much lower than Brownsburg and HSE's). There are strong teams in 5A but there is very little gap between the Top 3 in 5A compared to the Top 3 in 4A.

I personally think had the classes been split to have 32 in 6A and 32 in 1A with 64 in 2A-5A it would have been MUCH MUCH better, but that is just me. 5A tends to be very watered down in its current state (doesn't mean the top teams aren't good).

On 10/11/2023 at 7:44 AM, psaboy said:

Pretty easy for East Central to look good with the 152nd ranked schedule. They have a 1-0 record against top 64, congrats to them. 

Like F.W. Snider not much East Central can do they have to play their conference (which is very week). Sagarin does not take Out of State Opponents into their equation, so basically the computation in sagarin only has them for 7 opponents (because out of 9 games they will have only played 7 Indiana opponents). Their non-conference schedule though consists of 6-2 Harrison (OH) (a Ohio D-II team that is their rival as the two towns are pretty much next to each other, Cincinnati Moeller (OH), and Roncalli (who is not as strong as they have been the last 2 years). Make no mistake however even though East Central's conference is weak they are not. East Central is very good and will likely be the favorite for 4A but also could be playing for State Championship in 5A.

Sagarin is about as good as it is going to get (still doesn't account for OOS opponents) Calpreps however does account for OOS Opponents. Notice where East Central sits out of all teams in Indiana.

 http://calpreps.com/2023/ratings/Indiana_all.htm

7 hours ago, Boilernation said:

As meh as the 5A field is, I’d still argue  the bottom of 5A is arguably stronger than the average opp Chatard and East Central will see in the playoffs this year. 

No offense. I would take the top 20 of 4A any day of the week vs the bottom 20 of 5A. I also think the Top 3 in 4A (East Central, Ev. Reitz, New Palestine) would do very well against the Top 3 in 5A (Bloomington South, Valpo, F.W. Snider). 

3 hours ago, WWFan said:

How about Springs Valley being ranked in 1A AND getting votes in 2A. That's awesome. 

Maybe if we lobby hard enough after Week 9 we can get them ranked in 1A and receiving votes in both 2A and 3A!!

Sectional pairings are today. I would bet we will see right out of the gate first round at least 2 or 3 of the following.

In 6A

Sectional 3: Fishers vs HSE

Sectional 4: Carmel vs Westfield

Sectional 5: Ben Davis vs Brownsburg

Sectional 6 Cathedral vs Lawrence North

10 hours ago, dazed and confused said:

Brownsburg 27  Noblesvilles 22  Final

a little surprising ?

Not really surprising to me. Noblesville has had some rather close games that they haven't won. If Coach Sharpe's offense is clicking it can really chew up clock and limit possessions for the other team and less scoring. Judging from the box score (and knowing it was windy leading to less passing) the game likely went quick and possession were limited.

2 minutes ago, BTF said:

Scratching my head as to why this thread was started two weeks ago. 

 It was started 2 weeks ago because it was announced at that time the game was being moved from Arlington to Butler and @PHJIrish was informing of the change right after it was announced.

41 minutes ago, temptation said:

Is 42 enough for @Footballking16?

 

Probably not, but Coach Peebles does what he thinks is right. When it hit 35 and running clock he emptied the bench. Roncalli lost a lot from last year and starting a lot of young fellas (I think they had 4 Soph's starting on Offense). They will take their lumps and get better.

14 hours ago, tango said:

Were any other Indy Catholic schools staffed by Brothers of Holy Cross? We too were a BHC school (in collaboration with the Sisters of Providence) and had brothers from 1925 until 2009 (when the last one passed away). 

No at the time up until 1953 there was Cathedral (all boys located downtown Indianapolis), Sacred Heart (later named Kennedy merged with Bishop Chartrand to form Roncalli), and Latin school. You had girls High School too Ladywood (ran by Sisters of Providence) which is where Cathedral sits today, Ladywood and Cathedral were combined to make Cathedral Co-Ed. Cathedral was Operated by Brothers of Holy Cross but full control (no longer financially supported by the Archdiocese happened in 1964 and the brothers closed the doors in 1973 due to financial reasons declining enrollment and shifting populations).

In 1953 Scecina Memorial was built, Bishop Chatard in 1961, Bishop Chartrand 1962, and Cardinal Ritter in 1964. These schools were built to ease the overcrowding at Cathedral and Sacred Heart. Parents and Alumni saved Cathedral by forming a non-profit organization to operate the school becoming a Private Catholic school. They have recently rekindled with the Brothers of Holy Cross.

10 minutes ago, Impartial_Observer said:

The issue goes well above Roncalli or Cathedral’s athletic departments. You know that as well as anyone. What has changed in the last few years that would precipitate a new contract? Look at Roncalli’s SOS in any sport, they’re at the top. Your cowardice analogy is laughable. Perhaps someone more in tune with the holy wars could spell it out for you better than me. 

19 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

Cathedral isn't a deanery school. Never has been and never will be. PHJ says it every year and as cliche as it sounds, Cathedral literally has to recruit every single one of its students. They have zero inherent feeder schools. The presence of south deanery kids on Cathedral's varsity roster is minimal at best and has been that way dating back to the time of this gentleman's agreement. The CYO presence in general is dwindling and that has been a consistent trajectory. It's just a stupid hill for Roncalli to die on

Actually Cathedral was one of the original "Deanery" schools from 1918-1964 when the diocese turned over control to the Brothers of Holy Cross making them independent due to opening Scecina, Bishop Chartrand (Now merged with Sacred Heart/Kennedy to form Roncalli), Bishop Chatard, and Cardinal Ritter . After the Brothers closed the doors in 1972 alumni saved the school moved it and made it a Private Catholic school. Honestly "any" gentleman's agreement would and should never happen (especially with the close proximity of Cathedral and Chatard). There are legacy students and family names crawling the Cathedral hallways from every Deanery elementary school dating back to 1918 (even Southside). It wouldn't behoove Cathedral to do so due to that and the fact it would struggle to keep its doors open (even if the other Deanery High Schools don't like that). Regardless the archdiocese elementary schools have provided the large majority of students at Cathedral for 105 years.

18 hours ago, Bash Riprock said:

I see both sides on this one....To FB16's point, Roncalli had no problem playing CG for a number of years, until CG started beating them.  (awesome gates for both schools back in the day)  It is what CG is experiencing now with Carmel.  So I understand FB16's frustration with the Rebels...er, I mean Royals.  (just awful name change)

But, Lysander's explanation puts more icing on the cake...didn't know all of that...I can see where "adults" got upset and bailed.  Regardless of the past reason(s), has nothing to do with the players, coaches and perhaps sports admins today.  Glad they are back playing once again.

Time to let it go....I reckon' the man upstairs and his beloved son taught us all the importance of forgiveness through their own personal sacrifice for each and every one of us......although can be difficult, who are we not to do the same?

In all honesty with the explanation there is 2 sides to the story and the truth most likely lies in the middle and there is hyperbole and embellishment from both sides  (really only those inside the meetings know the truth). In all honesty "the gentlemans" agreement as it has been called in here would have been detrimental to Cathedral staying open (unlike Brebeuf which opened in 1962 and doesn't have as long of a storied presence within the Archdiocese schools).

42 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

with absolutely no disrespect intended to Guerin, Brebeuf, Ritter, Scecina, or any other Catholic HS, would be nice to see a "Commander-in-Chief" type trophy for the historic "Big 3" Catholic programs...Cathedral, Chatard and Roncalli.  I guess this year, it would be going to Chatard.

There is a trophy for Cathedral vs Bishop Chatard (Northside K of C traveling trophy) and Cathedral vs Roncalli (K of C Victory Bell). I would think there is one for Bishop Chatard vs Roncalli too.

11 minutes ago, temptation said:

Also, I'm not sure "sending a message" to student athletes who had nothing to do with the decision to suspend the series is in the "Best Coaching Practices" handbook...

The only thing that does and should matter to the Coaches and the players is etching another year on the K of C Victory Bell. Cathedral leads the series 22-12 overall and has won the last 12 meetings between the two, but the bell only exchanges during regular season match-ups. Cathedral holds the bell currently after a 2010 regular season game won by the Irish 41-10.

15 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

Hope Cathedral beats those cowar...errr Royals, 63-0.

People don't forget.

That almost guaranteed won't happen. 35 points gets to a running clock, and Coach Peebles has always been one to not run up scores. When he builds a lead to a running clock he usually substitutes getting a lot of players playing time and experience. If the game were to hit 35 points expect a quick 2nd half with a lot of players hitting the field regardless of who they are playing.

50 minutes ago, First_Backer_Inside said:

Mater Dei at 1-6 still receiving a vote in 2A is crazy.

45 minutes ago, JQWL said:

they're hanging in there like a hair in a grilled cheese.

Don't worry there are 3 more hairs in that grilled cheese for 0-7 Avon!

25 minutes ago, Staxawax said:

Seriously?  Avon received votes?

Well wacky tobacky isn't legal in Indiana, so 4 individuals have to be making trips to Illinois and Michigan quite regularly!

5 hours ago, gindie said:

I live in Ohio, originally from Indiana.  The only game I've seen in OH in the past several years was Penn at Cincinnati St. Xavier and I can't remember if they had the 40-second clock.  But, I do know (from that game) that their mercy rule is such that they go back to regular timing if the score difference goes back under the threshold.  Also, I remember in a Ben Davis at Cincinnati Elder game from many years ago that they put the ball on the 20 for overtime.

I believe they do have the 40 second clock, that being said many Ohio schools do not have on field play clocks. The QB has to confirm the time with the Referee.

3 hours ago, Lysander said:

On my first coach’s visit to Butler in late May back in the day I pulled my ‘74 Firebird Esprit (same as Jim “Rockfish” Rockford’s but with a lot more unpainted “Bondo” patches) into the shared Hinkle/Starlight Musicals parking lot.   Fresh from the unnamed hills and hollers of southeast Indiana and not knowing my way around Indianapolis (or Butler), I walked into the open entrance to Starlight Musicals just before Noon…..Coach Lyons was waiting for me in his office on the main floor at Hinkle.  

As I walked in, I heard this smooth baritone voice coming from the stage.  There was a man singing and a woman playing a piano accompaniment.  It was only the 3 of us in the entire facility but I couldn’t quite make out just who the two were on stage.

Being curious, and fairly self-unaware at the time, I walked down to the foot of the stage like I owned the place to see some middle-aged lady playing the piano for Gomer Pyle…who was, somehow, out of uniform.

I assumed he was on leave since there was no evidence of Sgt. Carter to be seen.

Completely true story.

3 hours ago, Lysander said:

That Memorial/Reitz score last night went a long ways towards legitimizing Reitz for me last night.  Given the closed nature of the SIAC, I’m always a little circumspect judging pre-playoffs but invariably those teams are good year in and year out. Reitz’ thoroughgoing win over Memorial makes it appear something special is cooking there this year.  

Maybe the only potential threat to East Central’s steamroller?

A major factor will be where this game is played. If at East Central EC will likely win, if at the Reitz Bowl could be a totally different story.

13 hours ago, BTF said:

Thanks, wasn't sure. North Side high school used to draw a line down the middle of the stands separating the fans. I believe they do the same when a game is played at St. Francis. It didn't look like there'd be ample seating on the visiting side for Center Grove. 

I am sure Cathedral will make space on the Home Side for CG fans. They have done that at U of I in the past.

13 hours ago, BTF said:

Nice little venue. Who gets the home side?

The Home team, Cathedral.

15 hours ago, Lysander said:

Yep.  Dilley was HC both of those years…Coach L took over in 2003.  Hard to believe Dilley is in his 10th year at Guerin.  For the record, they were all “Offensive thrillers” under Dilley and L….but effective.

Loved watching Coach Dilley and Coach L teams. As well as Coach Kennedy at Lowell and Coach Scifres at Roncalli. We are going to run the ball at you come stop it. Showing how many different ways you can run Off Tackle or Power Toss.

16 hours ago, dazed and confused said:

Come on ! They beat Cathedral for petes sake.... Chatard by as many as they want !

13 hours ago, scarab527 said:

Exactly…let’s be real here folks. 

They beat Cathedral while having their starting QB who was injured in the Guerin game. Even if they play with QB2 I think Chatard wins this one, but there is no denying QB1 makes Chatard a better overall team with both his arm and legs.